The 2023 - ??? Edmunds Report

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

There’s some middle ground on the Edmunds thing. He’s pretty decent, overhyped and nowhere near worth paying what he got. He’s much better than what we have now. All of these things can be true. Also there were several better options available than what we have. We should have done more to replace him. That’s the real issue IMO

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

There’s some middle ground on the Edmunds thing. He’s pretty decent, overhyped and nowhere near worth paying what he got. He’s much better than what we have now. All of these things can be true. Also there were several better options available than what we have. We should have done more to replace him. That’s the real issue IMO

Similar to when I am out of Rice Krispies, go to the store, and come home with dishwashing soap, dry cat food, canned garbanzo beans...and finding I went specifically for the Rice Krispies and forgot them. 🤔😕

[BullBuchanan]

12 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Disappointing their way to 12+ win season after 12+ win season.  A guy who has yet to start his second season if “evidence” for the ”I’d be a better GM that Beane” crowd.  It’s a complete joke, but by all means keep believing you’re a savant while finishing seventh again in your fantasy football league because you draft guys like Andy Isabella.

What if we won our fantasy league though?

[SCBills]

23 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Disappointing their way to 12+ win season after 12+ win season.  A guy who has yet to start his second season if “evidence” for the ”I’d be a better GM that Beane” crowd.  It’s a complete joke, but by all means keep believing you’re a savant while finishing seventh again in your fantasy football league because you draft guys like Andy Isabella.

Our success is mainly due to having Josh Allen .. which Beane 100% gets a ton of credit for.  
 

That said.. He’s a good GM, but I’m getting pretty tired of seeing board favorites get passed over by this team only to ball out…

 

DK Metcalf

George Pickens

Creed Humphrey

Trey Smith

Tariq Woolen

Dawand Jones (too early to tell)

 

Beane is one of the best at managing the cap and keeping solid depth on cap-strapped roster (also need to give credit to Pegula), but when it comes to the draft… a lot of fans have a right to side eye his moves .. because a lot of fans have begged this team to draft really good players that we skipped over for poor results.  
 

Edited August 27, 2023 by SCBills

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Disappointing their way to 12+ win season after 12+ win season.  A guy who has yet to start his second season if “evidence” for the ”I’d be a better GM that Beane” crowd.  It’s a complete joke, but by all means keep believing you’re a savant while finishing seventh again in your fantasy football league because you draft guys like Andy Isabella.

I’d like to win a Super Bowl. I’d like our players to play well enough to win one. I’m sorry this offends you so much lmao

[buffaloboyinATL]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Our success is mainly due to having Josh Allen .. which Beane 100% gets a ton of credit for.  
 

That said.. He’s a good GM, but I’m getting pretty tired of seeing board favorites get passed over by this team only to ball out…

 

DK Metcalf

George Pickens

Creed Humphrey

Trey Smith

Tariq Woolen

Dawand Jones (too early to tell)

 

Beane is one of the best at managing the cap and keeping solid depth on cap-strapped roster, but when it comes to the draft… a lot of fans have a right to side eye his moves .. because a lot of fans have begged this team to draft really good players that we skipped over for poor results.  

I get your point, but there are way to many variables involved to say for sure a player would have success here, just because they are good on a different team.  (ie coaching, scheme, players around them etc)

 

Sometimes the GM is limited on who he takes, based on the input from the coaching staff, regarding the particular type of players they feel they need.  

[dave mcbride]

39 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s crazy that people on a Bills board bash disappointing Bills players. It’s almost like they want to win?

But Edmunds was actually very good last season. Is that even arguable? I mean, come on. Opposing QBs had a rating of 69.9 against him and his missed tackle rate was a minuscule 1 percent. This is one of the dumber narratives in Bills fandom, in my opinion. Time to let it go.

Edited August 27, 2023 by dave mcbride

[LeGOATski]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

But Edmunds was actually very good last season. Is that even arguable? 

Nah man. It's more of a philosophical argument at this point.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

You sound like a toxic ex that can’t move on

This

[T master]

I didn't watch yesterday but i know when he was here there were games that he would make some really good plays & then wife on others he wasn't consistent enough to be considered a HOF player .

 

That being said i think the team would have been better off spending the money on him rather than Oliver the contracts were about the same .

 

As young as Edmunds still is and being a 1st round pick there is a better chance that he is still growing into his position . Oliver on the other hand is under sized & is no  John Randall plus with the talent that the Bills have at his position i feel they would have been just as good with out him having Jones, Ford, & Phillips plus being able to use Basham, Roseau to move down at times on the D line .

 

But i hope Beane & McD know better & the MLB position isn't a weakness this season because if it is Bills Mafia will let it be known .

[Alphadawg7]

43 minutes ago, FireChans said:

It’s crazy that people on a Bills board bash disappointing Bills players. It’s almost like they want to win?

You've got an interesting definition of “disappointing”.  Multiple Pro-Bowls and top 5 in tackles in the NFL since entering the league…lol.

 

I’ve seen you prop up way worse players but you can’t help but over exaggerate Edmunds cuz he wasn’t the next Ray Lewis lmao

[SCBills]

14 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

I get your point, but there are way to many variables involved to say for sure a player would have success here, just because they are good on a different team.  (ie coaching, scheme, players around them etc)

 

Sometimes the GM is limited on who he takes, based on the input from the coaching staff, regarding the particular type of players they feel they need.  

Agreed. 
 

For instance, I’d cringe if we traded Kaiir Elam to the Ravens or Giants.. The guy has talent, and seems to be a mess mentally in our system due to what we need him to be.  
 

Send him to a team that plays more press man and I’d be very worried for another Wyatt Teller moment. 
 

He has issues he needs to work out, but we’re hell-bent, apparently, on not letting that happen.   I get why the staff feels they can’t trust him, but I also blame the staff some for this being a problem of their own making. 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Mr. Beane needs some assistance!

Meddle Lanebacker?

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You've got an interesting definition of “disappointing”.  Multiple Pro-Bowls and top 5 in tackles in the NFL since entering the league…lol.

 

I’ve seen you prop up way worse players but you can’t help but over exaggerate Edmunds cuz he wasn’t the next Ray Lewis lmao

Edmunds wasn’t good enough to keep around. Which is disappointing to trade up to #16 in the first round for.

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

I’m a little out of touch. I thought Diggs was leading because he’s toxic, he had temper tantrums in Minnesota, and he hates Allen and Mcdermott. 
With Elam and Dawkins closely behind. 

You have to keep up bro, Diggs was offsesaon news.  We moved on to Dawkins, and recently Elam has leap frogged Dawkins for the lead.  

[FireChans]

22 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

But Edmunds was actually very good last season. Is that even arguable? I mean, come on. Opposing QBs had a rating of 69.9 against him and his missed tackle rate was a minuscule 1 percent. This is one of the dumber narratives in Bills fandom, in my opinion. Time to let it go.

Yes he had the best year of his career. The last two years before his passer rating allowed was over 100. Which is why he played on his fifth year option.

[balln]

17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You've got an interesting definition of “disappointing”.  Multiple Pro-Bowls and top 5 in tackles in the NFL since entering the league…lol.

 

I’ve seen you prop up way worse players but you can’t help but over exaggerate Edmunds cuz he wasn’t the next Ray Lewis lmao

pro bowls dont matter. its not a real achievement anymore. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Meddle Lanebacker?

A lot of 'Meddles' 'round these parts...🤠

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

Some of you guys are really obsessed with trying to trash a player. I thought it was really weird to do for a player on the team you root for. But even after he’s gone, and after the replacement has been a huge concern for a lot we still need to trash the guy? You’d think he was an off field distraction, or bashed the city and fans, maybe didn’t put any effort in.. Nope, just didn’t meet certain people’s expectations and got signed to a hefty contract on a rebuilding team. Certainly deserving the hatred and critique 

I would think that you would be used to this. Folks are still bashing HOF bound LT Jason Peters, no?

[RunTheBall]

I was a HUGE Edmunds fan when we drafted him. Thought we’d be set for over a decade with a potential perennial All-Pro manning the middle of the D. Each year I got a little more disappointed. I was convinced Beane was going to extend him because of the constant praise we heard and the fact he traded up to get him. We could have extended him, the fact that we didn’t says A LOT about what McBeane thought. Edmunds is what he is. He isn’t going to all of a sudden make this big leap in year 6 into the LB we all wanted him to be.

 

The fact is, linebacker isn’t a premium position and they made the call that Oliver at DT was more important than Edmunds at LB. I’m glad we didn’t extend him at the price he got. He’s better than anything we have on the roster currently though (besides Milano), so McD better have a scheme in mind to make up for that this season. I think he does. I think we will see a lot of Rapp and Neal in a big nickle/dime look on passing downs. I don’t think we are looking for an Edmunds replacement because you can’t replace those physical traits.