Bills @ Bears Game Day Thread?!?!?!?

[John from Riverside]

Not hearing much about Tremaine Edmunds, and I think he played
 

Was he that unnoticeable for $19 million

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, BBFL said:

Also, I’m not seeing this elite speed from Harty & Sherfield…

 

Sherfield isn't an elite speed guy. He was pretty darn good yesterday though. He is a bit of a jack of all trades but he is going to find a role on this team.

[Richard Noggin]

44 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Not hearing much about Tremaine Edmunds, and I think he played
 

Was he that unnoticeable for $19 million

 

Kinda par for the course innit

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, BBFL said:

Also, I’m not seeing this elite speed from Harty & Sherfield…

 No? I thought Harty looked dangerous after the catch. Didn’t do much but I saw something. I think he’ll be a good addition. Something we haven’t had. The first catch went for a short gain but just the way he moved after I know he will turn those into big gains sometimes.

[BBFL]

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sherfield isn't an elite speed guy. He was pretty darn good yesterday though. He is a bit of a jack of all trades but he is going to find a role on this team.

You’re right, grouping him in that rite section was silly of me. He was rather supposed to be explosive 4.4 chess piece that could get on top of DBs quickly. Maybe I’m just missing it. 

[balln]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sherfield isn't an elite speed guy. He was pretty darn good yesterday though. He is a bit of a jack of all trades but he is going to find a role on this team.

https://youtu.be/Uit0_3xTpmw?si=_c8jXboUZrkaOfIO

he has elite speed. This against the vaunted 49ers. 

[GunnerBill]

34 minutes ago, balln said:

https://youtu.be/Uit0_3xTpmw?si=_c8jXboUZrkaOfIO

he has elite speed. This against the vaunted 49ers. 

 

He is fast. I wouldn't say it is elite speed. He is a mid 4.4s guy. That is fast it isn't elite.

[BobbyC81]

23 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Get the ones formerly used in gin mills.  Heavy glassware or metal lead to more durability! 😁

Worse if he’s tossing them at the TV, though.

[BobbyC81]

9 hours ago, balln said:

yea -  but the catch % stat is more about the WR than qb. over the course of 17 games and tons of pass attempts. guys like edelman and gronk either just get open , former, or just make contested catch after contested catch, latter, and thus their catch % are high. 

 

ijust think of the young group of wr - wilson, waddle, hill, devonte smtih - those guys GET OPEN. and then players like aj brown and all of cincys WR that just make contested catches

 

gabe just isnt a great WR2 for a championship team - for whatever reason - thats why the catch % stat is great. His hands suck sometimes/ awkward in game placement and his college scout takes and RAS shows hes not gonn be a good separation / route runner.  that one 4TD game in :13 seconds is fools gold. He had a good day. They were doubling diggs. He played against KC DB  scrubs that year

A key in his big KC game was that Tyrone Matheiu was injured in the first half and didn’t return.

[Shaw66]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

If a WR's catch % is consistently below average, and also below other receivers that the SAME QB is throwing to, how can that be "mostly on the QB"? You aren't even considering Occam's Razor here. The simple, bigger picture objective truth is that throwing to Davis is Allen's lowest percentage option. (High reward, but too much risk for a high volume of targets.)

 

Davis' avg depth of target, and resulting eye-popping yards per reception, means we really should have more tolerance for lower efficiency numbers, for sure. Gabe Davis HAS undoubtedly flashed some splash deep and red zone plays against man coverage (we can all immediately recall a handful of plays concentrated mostly in a few games). I just can't ignore his bizarrely flawed catching fundamentals at times (that reaching/clapping thing he does when coming back to the ball, especially) and the times when he's just WAY out of sync with his QB when reading and reacting to coverages on option routes (sometimes easier to pick up on in person at the stadium). 

 

You see a lack of separation on routes that aren't flags, posts, or flies. He kind of sucks, statistically, doing much else. Drops a LOT of passes. Interrupts an offensive "schedule" too often to be a high volume, true #2 option over the course of a season. 

 

I'm responding to you and Balln.   A typical #2 is not good to great at getting separation and is not good to great at making contested catches.   A guy who is good to great at one or both of those skills is a #1 receiver.   People are naming players like Hill and Waddle and Cinci's wideouts.   Someone mentioned Gronk and Edelman.   They're all #1 receivers.  Why?  Because they're all good to great at getting open using their own skills, or in Gronk's case they're open when they're covered, so they don't need to separate.  

 

Good #2s have decent speed, and are reliable ball catchers when they're open.   They get open by executing their routes within the scheme; sometimes the defender makes a mistake, and sometimes the route design stresses the defense in a way that allows the #2 to get open.   A #2 should be targeted only when that happens.  They are not good at getting separation.  The only #2s who separate well are #1s on their rookie contracts, by and large.

 

I don't mind when Josh throws to a covered Diggs, because Diggs is a true #1.  I do mind when Josh throws to a covered Davis, because that's a low-percentage throw.   A three-yard dump off is a better decision than a 16-yard throw to a covered Davis.   Throwing to Davis, or to any other covered #2, is a low percentage throw that is bad for the offense.   If you want Davis's catch percentage to go up, tell Josh to stop throwing to him when he's covered.   And when he does that, guess what will happen:  Josh's completion percentage will go up.   That three-yard dump off is a much better play for the team, and is much more likely to keep a drive alive, than a low percentage 16-yard throw to Davis when he's covered.  

 

I think you misunderstand what a typical #2 receiver is in the NFL.  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I'm responding to you and Balln.   A typical #2 is not good to great at getting separation and is not good to great at making contested catches.   A guy who is good to great at one or both of those skills is a #1 receiver.   People are naming players like Hill and Waddle and Cinci's wideouts.   Someone mentioned Gronk and Edelman.   They're all #1 receivers.  Why?  Because they're all good to great at getting open using their own skills, or in Gronk's case they're open when they're covered, so they don't need to separate.  

 

Good #2s have decent speed, and are reliable ball catchers when they're open.   They get open by executing their routes within the scheme; sometimes the defender makes a mistake, and sometimes the route design stresses the defense in a way that allows the #2 to get open.   A #2 should be targeted only when that happens.  They are not good at getting separation.  The only #2s who separate well are #1s on their rookie contracts, by and large.

 

I don't mind when Josh throws to a covered Diggs, because Diggs is a true #1.  I do mind when Josh throws to a covered Davis, because that's a low-percentage throw.   A three-yard dump off is a better decision than a 16-yard throw to a covered Davis.   Throwing to Davis, or to any other covered #2, is a low percentage throw that is bad for the offense.   If you want Davis's catch percentage to go up, tell Josh to stop throwing to him when he's covered.   And when he does that, guess what will happen:  Josh's completion percentage will go up.   That three-yard dump off is a much better play for the team, and is much more likely to keep a drive alive, than a low percentage 16-yard throw to Davis when he's covered.  

 

I think you misunderstand what a typical #2 receiver is in the NFL.  

 

That's a vast over-generalization.    Teams with your fictional "typical #2" .........well, no team like that has reached the SB in the past half decade and maybe a just couple in the past 15(Seattle and Carolina).  

 

The bar is much higher for a SB team.   That's the objective in Buffalo.

 

The big issue with Davis is that he's the second worst WR at dropping catchable passes in the NFL behind only Zay Jones..........and he was like 185th out of 197 qualifying players in catch % and nobody with anywhere near as many targets was worse.    And what helps underscore the impact of that is that brutal passer rating of 80 when targeted.   Which defeats the argument that his big plays make it worthwhile to target him 6-7 times per game.   An elite QB shouldn't be rating 80 when throwing to his second target.   That's just terrible.

 

Bottom line is that Davis is a WR3 in the NFL.   He's not going to some other team with a lesser QB and putting up the numbers that playing with Josh Allen allows him to.

[BillsShredder83]

Going back and watching the game since i missed it yesterday. Wont be able to do whole game, but re-watching each play and 1 player at a time to see how our OL/DL looks, and include things that stuck out. I might come back and update this... but so far.....

 

BILLS D FIRST POSSESSION (3 and out i think, was a short drive if im wrong, i forgot lol_

-Boogie looks like he majorly changed his body composition. not only doesnt look fat, but looks built like a brick shiz house. Saw him out there first play and couldnt see name/number, and was like who the hell is that??? What a great surprise, hopefully translates this year.

 

-Daquan ate several double teams, one of those reps wasnt exactly a pressure, but got good penetration, and him getting his hands out caused an incompletion. Nice

 

BILLS OFF FIRST DRIVE (Nice TD Drive)

-Harty is an explosive route runner, so fast and change of direction is sudden. If he stays healthy hes going to have a nice year for us

 

-Torrence is a monster in the run game. Above average pass blocker right now, and expect him to improve as the year goes on, but he did give up 2 pressures

 

-Edwards looks like great depth piece, this OL wouldve been a lot better had he started here last year. Think McGovern will be a stud, so there is a drop off, however, he wont be a liability.  Looked good on the drive, made smart decisions. Came in and pancaked Dawkins man when he realized he was freed up. Also, saw a play he was helping out Dion, Dion had the guy locked up well, so he slid over to help Morse out on a rep

 

-Diggs/Davis had a real nice rub play, they both ended up open even though Diggs got the ball.

 

-Dawkins looked lost on a few plays. Specifically a Cook run on first down that got blown up. Morse-Torrence-Brown did their jobs well, but 2 defenders came in off left side, basically untouched while Dion was looking around for someone to block. Not Edwards best rep either, but Dion looked worse

 

-Camera work was awful on broadcast. Few plays they were zoomed out way tooooo far. Then a weird one where pre-snap, they were zoomed way the hell in, all you could see was like the tops of the helmets, they transitioned to a regular view, but the play hadyard alraedy developed. I remember last season the NFL suddenly having bad camera work quite a bit.

      Also, the broadcast just sucked a lot last year. I remember frequently wanting to see a replay of a big play, and theyre zoomed in on sideline not showing the play, then the next play starts, like - oh i guess nobody wanted to see that play again? Was weird as i dont ever remember this being more than a one-off thing the rest of my life.  Hopefully they get it figured out

 

-Morse is so solid, he did a great job of looking for work on plays where he didnt end up having a man

 

-Gabes drop sucked, ughhhh. Probably a few ppl on here thought he had two, but the second one was nice defense break up. He somewhat made up for it with 2 catches though (1? i forget, was focused on line play mostly)

 

-Few plays before the Harris TD, Kink drew a holding penalty. That was 100% a TD for him had it not happened

 

-Good to finally see Harris out there. OL did a great job blowing their man up and opening that hole for TD

 

DEFENSE 2ND SERIES (another quick series)

-Oliver - It was noticeable on the first series to, but he looks really good. Looks like the disruptor we drafted (and extended).  We've seen flashes of this before but he looks as good as he did  early last year when he was a monster. Just about beating his guy off the snap, first step is both quick and explosive, his man is already going backwards from there. 

    Hungry to make plays, hes in the backfield almost every play.  Will note it here, on the 3rd drive he creates serious pressure on a play, QB steps to other side of pocket in a way where Ed's almost out of the play (having already done his job), and he turns on the burners and chases him like I've never seen lol

 

-Floyd gets in backfield on a run, tackles already been made, and an OL innocently enough sort of has a hand on his shoulder from behind, and he whips around, and gets in his face. Absolutely love that fire, is contagious on the field

 

-Rousseau on this drive (a short one) is in a 2pt stance twice.  Cant say i remember him doing much of this last year?

 

BILLS 2ND POSSESSION OFFENSE

- Saw Kincaid execute a real nice chip block! If he gets that up to speed fast, we may never leave 12 personnel

 

-Speaking of 12 personnel. I was zoned in on Kincaid the first time I watched this play. On 2nd review of same play, KNOX ABSOLUTELY OBLITERATES HIS MAN ON A QUICK CHIP BLOCK! JUST WOWWWWWWW.  Our two stud TE's helped a pretty nice 19yard completion to Sherfield develop on this play

 

 

 

-Sherfield decides to return the favor to the rest of offense. He's motioned from outside in tight next to TE on the line.  Man he's strong. His block ends up turning what would've been a negative yard run from Cook, into a 5-6yarder.  While he might not exactly turn into a fan favorite, he's already a coaching staff favorite with what he brings to run game, they love that stuff.

    He also gets downfield to lockup a man in the secondary a few plays later. What a freaking upgrade from Touchdown False-Profit Kumerow.  He's a stud blocker, and he actually can make plays to catch. He's going to see a lot of playing time this year!

 

-Buffalo runs a very well executed screen to Cook. Right side of the line holds up strong, and Dion does a great job selling it! He came out of his stance VERY SLOW, looked like he didnt know the snap count, and his man took the bait.  Now the play came back on a ticky tack block in the back on Edwards, great play, well executed. My God, if this team figured out a screen game, it will be the first time Ive seen it in my life!

 

-Drive ends on a Kyle Allen interception... Brown really struggles with his man, getting drove straight back into the QB. Ugly rep for him. The good news is Josh would've never let that man pressure him like Kyle did, and there's no way he's throwing the ball where Kyle did. It was across the field with a man draped all over him (might have been Gabe, but not his fault at all)

Edited August 28, 2023 by BillsShredder83