Mike Vick at Bills practice and the nfl script release

[Jauronimo]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:40 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

I don’t classify starting a dog fighting ring while making millions of dollars playing football to be “major adversity”. 

Expand  

What do you call losing your $20 million signing bonus and going from a mansion to federal prison?

[PetermansRedemption]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:06 PM, Jauronimo said:

What do you call losing your $20 million signing bonus and going from a mansion to federal prison?

Expand  

All to his own doing. His own choices. He didn’t have an accident. He created the bed he lied in. If I went out and killed someone and went to prison, I wouldn’t classify that as some woah is me adversity. 

Edited August 25, 2023 by PetermansRedemption

[Jauronimo]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:05 PM, May Day 10 said:

 

he had a tough upbringing where the dog fighting crap was normalized and even glorified.  

 

He did real time in prison (during his playing prime) and his financial life was in ruins.  His name and character was/is forever smeared.  He went from one of the most electric athletes in sports to incarcerated.   

 

 

Whether or not you believe him.  He seems to say and act as though he has learned from his experience.  I believe him.  This is a long time to keep his nose clean, out of trouble, and he has championed animal/dog laws.  Made speaking appearances to teach young people through his lessons.

Expand  

I am a little surprised that it didn't come up during the Vick saga, but there are cultural differences in attitudes toward animals.  Lets just say that in many areas of the world dogs aren't little fur babies to be kissed on the mouth and share a bed with the owner.  While many of us, myself included, find animal fighting to be abhorrent there were a handful of players who basically said "whats the big deal, they're just dogs".

 

He went to prison for running an interstate gambling ring.  If I recall correctly the animal cruelty factor was a kicker that only contributed to a slightly longer sentence for the gambling offense.

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:09 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

All to his own doing. His own choices. He didn’t have an accident. He created the bed he lied in. If I went out and killed someone and went to prison, I wouldn’t classify that as some woah is me adversity. 

Expand  

Well, take it up with Websters because adversity isn't qualified by whether it is self inflicted or a result of external factors. 

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:22 PM, boyst said:

...that's a whole lot of presumptuous bull#### right there big fella.

 

Let's break this horsebleepof yours down:

A- you have no idea what type of neighborhood or work I have

B- what's great, I don't either. Coworkers and neighbors could be serial killers in their past and id never know. I don't judge or research such bull####

C- I don't judge people based on something of their past, something I wasn't involved with, something 20 years ago that they've done their "time for."

 

D- you don't ever see me mock these d- bag sportsball players who don't impress me with their intellect, "dangerous jobs," or anything. I don't think they are heros. Nor are nurses, teachers, firefighters, or police. It's their job. Shut up and do it ... Or don't. 

 

... seriously, you couldn't have picked a more wrong take on this with me. Jesus weo.

 

Expand  

You sound like his neighbor

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:05 PM, May Day 10 said:

His name and character was/is forever smeared.

Expand  

"Smeared" suggests a poor schmuck who didn't do anything wrong who was falsely accused.

That is not exactly the case here.

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:15 PM, Jauronimo said:

I am a little surprised that it didn't come up during the Vick saga, but there are cultural differences in attitudes toward animals. 

Expand  

Attitudes toward women are also quite different in different cultures.

I think actual Super Bowl champion Ray Rice could also show the Bills a thing or two about making it to the next level.

[eball]

  On 8/25/2023 at 12:36 PM, Augie said:

Who decided he should stay relevant? I’m still not a big Vick fan, and doubt I ever will be. 

Expand  

 

I hear ya, but the guy revolutionized the QB position when he arrived.  He made some terrible mistakes off the field but paid the price for it.  I have no problem with him “staying relevant.”

 

[Jauronimo]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:21 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

Attitudes toward women are also quite different in different cultures.

I think actual Super Bowl champion Ray Rice could also show the Bills a thing or two about making it to the next level.

Expand  

Thats quite the word salad.

[eball]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:09 PM, PetermansRedemption said:

All to his own doing. His own choices. He didn’t have an accident. He created the bed he lied in. If I went out and killed someone and went to prison, I wouldn’t classify that as some woah is me adversity. 

Expand  

 

For a guy whose online handle includes the word “redemption” you’re kind of a dick.

 

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:24 PM, Jauronimo said:

Thats quite the word salad.

Expand  

What Mike Vick did was evil. 

Not some kind of regulatory offense. I see no reason why any respectable business would invite him to hang out with its employees.

But I don't have a dog in this fight.

[Jauronimo]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:26 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

What Mike Vick did was evil. 

Not some kind of regulatory offense. I see no reason why any respectable business would invite him to hang out with its employees.

But I don't have a dog in this fight.

Expand  

Thats a cute thing to say but, very clearly, you do.

[Billever76]

  On 8/25/2023 at 1:16 PM, Blackbeard said:

You cannot sway me at all in having anything but disdain for this low-life piece of *****. 

 

Actually shocked the Bills franchise would place him, of all people, into the BIlls organization, all knowing it will rub many people wrongly.

 

Shameful imo.

Expand  

He has paid his dues dude!..spent his time in federal prison Leavenworth....payed out millions,is now an advocate for animal abuse and helps with millions in charity work for abused animals. When someone changes entirely after serving their punishments that's to be commended PERIOD

[Freddie's Dead]

OK, so Vick paid his debt to society.  It still looks bad for the Bills to bring him in as a motivational speaker.  

[boyst]

  On 8/25/2023 at 3:47 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

Empirically?  Well, I can't verify any of this.  Nor can I know if you would really have a neighbor torturing dogs in his back yard over for a beer when he got out.  I just don't believe any reasonable person would.

Expand  

I'm not reasonable 

[4merper4mer]

  On 8/25/2023 at 1:58 PM, Mr. WEO said:

why is this POS around the facility?  "Finding that spark" for this low life meant electrocuting dogs.

 

what possessed the FO to wake up this week and say: "we should bring in Mike Vick as a guy to chat up the fellas"...?

 

wtf

Expand  

I’ll take sanctimonious Aaron Hernandez fans for $500 Alex.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 8/25/2023 at 5:03 PM, 4merper4mer said:

I’ll take sanctimonious Aaron Hernandez fans for $500 Alex.

Expand  

 

I bet he hasn't shown up to your birthday party in a few years...

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Vick is in camp to provide the leadership that this team is sorely lacking 

[Chicken Boo]

  On 8/25/2023 at 2:27 PM, uticaclub said:

Apparently Josh Allen is so good in Madden this year it’s being compared to the year Vick was a cheat code in 04

Expand  

 

I did a QB sneak, once, with Vick from my own 2yd line...98 yards to the house 😎

 

My finest Madden moment.  

[rusty shackleford]

Hopefully Davis didn’t bring his dog to practice this time. 

[The Frankish Reich]

  On 8/25/2023 at 4:51 PM, Jauronimo said:

This is an impressive series of non-sequiturs.  Will you be making a point today?

Expand  

Non-sequitur?

 

A quick logic lesson:

- Persons who have done vile acts in their adulthood, even if they have completed criminal sentences, should not be invited to hobnob with current employees at their workplace

- Mike Vick did vile acts in his adulthood

- ergo, Mike Vick should not be invited to hobnob at the Buffalo Bills place of business

 

 

[Jauronimo]

  On 8/25/2023 at 5:18 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

Non-sequitur?

 

A quick logic lesson:

- Persons who have done vile acts in their adulthood, even if they have completed criminal sentences, should not be invited to hobnob with current employees at their workplace

- Mike Vick did vile acts in his adulthood

- ergo, Mike Vick should not be invited to hobnob at the Buffalo Bills place of business

 

 

Expand  

You confuse logic with whiny opinions that run counter to the core values of our criminal justice system.