Are we lacking leadership?

[Ya Digg?]

33 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

If Josh was getting in teammates faces you would have heard from an ex teammate by now that he was. He’s just not wired like that. 

I was more getting at that some people think the only way to show leadership is to yell at your teammates, in public or behind closed doors. Your right though, Josh isn’t like that at all and I appreciate it

[John from Riverside]

 No

[Airseven]

No.

[hondo in seattle]

Without being on the practice field, in the meeting rooms, in the locker room, and on the sideline, I don't know how you're supposed to competently evaluate the Bills leadership.

 

From the bits and pieces I hear from players, McD seems to possess good leadership skills.  But I wouldn't assert that confidently without far more first-hand knowledge.  As for player leaders, I have no idea.  

[MWK]

How can we be lacking leadership when McDermott has called about 20-25 of our players leaders at some point?

[Mikie2times]

I think we have tons of leaders but we don’t seem to have that alpha dog punch you in the mouth style leader or perfectionist who will rip you.  Nowadays those guys are likely very rare anyway so it’s hard to say how much of a deficit that is or isn’t. 
 

Edited August 25, 2023 by Mikie2times

[HappyCat]

I feel Josh is perceived as the face of the Bills but is he a true leader?

[Chaos]

Missed this earlier. Guess we brought in a leadership consultant today.  To help find the spark

 

 

https://x.com/danfetes/status/1694772540776878347?s=46&t=DBC_sBZMnfe6wzRtQpq0gQ

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

I think we have tons of leaders but we don’t seem to have that alpha dog punch you in the mouth style leader or perfectionist who will rip you.  Nowadays those guys are likely very rare anyway so it’s hard to say how much of a deficit that is or isn’t. 
 

Who on the Chiefs does that describe tho

[Mikie2times]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Who on the Chiefs does that describe tho

Heck, I barely know the Bills well enough to guess. 
 

Mahomes appears more like a perfectionist type than I once thought. If I really had to guess I would say Bieniemy used to be that person for

them. But who knows. 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Heck, I barely know the Bills well enough to guess. 
 

Mahomes appears more like a perfectionist type than I once thought. If I really had to guess I would say Bieniemy used to be that person for

them. But who knows. 

Mahomes strikes me as very laid back, extremely competitive for sure but not a psychopath about it

 

tbh I don't think I can point to one individual thing the Bills lack that's keeping them from a Super Bowl other than winning enough games, I don't think there's some secret formula or anything

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

That said, If next season ends like last season (especially if we’re healthier), I’d be happy if we moved on from him and hired an offensive Hc like your boy Ben Johnson.  

 

You don't really believe that there's a chance that Pegula would fire McD, do you?  I can't imagine that Beane would, ever.  Pegs just extended both of 'em.  If he even remotely thought that there's a chance he'd fire one or the other after the season, why would he have extended them when they were signed through '24?  

 

I don't even see that as a possibility.  I do thnk that the wheels come off defensively speaking, and we could be in trouble on offense if our OL isn't good or we get significant injuries there.  

 

BTW, keep an eye on Press Taylor.  IMO he's going to be a hot commodity for a head coach following this season.  More so than Ben Johnson.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

You don't really believe that there's a chance that Pegula would fire McD, do you?  I can't imagine that Beane would, ever.  Pegs just extended both of 'em.  If he even remotely thought that there's a chance he'd fire one or the other after the season, why would he have extended them when they were signed through '24?  

 

I don't even see that as a possibility.  I do thnk that the wheels come off defensively speaking, and we could be in trouble on offense if our OL isn't good or we get significant injuries there.  

 

BTW, keep an eye on Press Taylor.  IMO he's going to be a hot commodity for a head coach following this season.  More so than Ben Johnson.  

 

 

 

The Bills would definitely have to at least miss the playoffs for McDermott or Beane to be in trouble after this season. From someone I know who had good contacts inside the building there is next to no internal pressure from Pegula and the extensions were evidence of that. 

[Alphadawg7]

Anyone who claims Allen lacks leadership literally knows nothing about Allen as countless players have talked about his leadership and not being like anything they have been around before.  

[PBF81]

18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The Bills would definitely have to at least miss the playoffs for McDermott or Beane to be in trouble after this season. From someone I know who had good contacts inside the building there is next to no internal pressure from Pegula and the extensions were evidence of that. 

 

Yeah, I would have to think that's exactly the case.  

 

Even if we missed the playoffs, depending upon the reason I'm still not sure I see it happening.  (Allen injured e.g.)  It would be a bad look for Pegula if he fired one or both when they were originally signed only for one more season after this one.  

 

I also see very little chance of us missing the playoffs as long as Allen remains in one piece.  I can see us getting a wild-card however.  The divisional games will be key.  We're 5-1 in the regular season against all three other teams in it over the past three seasons.  I would suspect that whichever team has the best divisional record will win the division.  

 

I'm actually pretty jacked, I enjoy it when the division is tough.  It sucks when there's only one good team.  I hearken back to the days of the Kelly v. Marino years for instance, what a great rivalry.  

 

 

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Anyone who claims Allen lacks leadership literally knows nothing about Allen as countless players have talked about his leadership and not being like anything they have been around before.  

 

Yeah, I've gotta say.  Also, he leads more by his play than most as well.  

 

 

[NastyNateSoldiers]

7 hours ago, Success said:

I saw Broussard say this the other day, responding to Nick Wright's usual deranged lunacy about the Bills.  He couldn't agree w/ some of ol' Nick's ridiculous assessments, but in trying to find some common ground for why Buffalo will never win anything ever at any time, he said that they do lack leadership, from any player, or from McDermott.

 

Personally, I don't fully agree.  I think Allen leads by example, and is a strong personality at the most important position. We've all seen those moments like the end of the 13 seconds game, where he was exhorting the defense on the sideline after our last score, and getting everyone fired up.

 

McDermott - who has my support as a fan - I'm not so sure on.  He seems to be in the weeds a lot, focused on the details. And I think he's a detail guy in general. I'm not sure if he truly LEADS this team, like some of the more legendary HC's who really set the tone, set the boundaries, and were able to create a vision everyone could get behind.

 

Curious what everyone else thinks, and if a "lack of leadership" might be the missing piece that the team needs to figure out, or just develop as they continue to mature.

 

I believe McBeane are builders . They can build a winning program by instilling culture getting everyone involved hiring the right trainers doing the little things at a extremely high level . But that we’re it stops they have a ceiling whether via scheming or player evaluations drafting and resource allocation there horrible at that. McD is a modern day Marty Schott but maybe even worse since Marty never really had a franchise QB outside of Rivers for a few yrs Bernie Kosar was a borderline elite QB kind of like a Tony Romo but was never considered one of the top 5-6 QBs in the game. 
 

McBeane I believe have peaked and there are whispers that there losing the locker room . They seem to never really learn from there mistakes as well. They missed a massive opportunity to really build a juggernaut after losing in AFC championship game a few yrs back. They had tons of cap space and a abundance of pks in the draft but never built the Oline into a force because they were to busy using multiple high pks on DEs that were falling in the draft like Epenesa and Basham. They also blew multiple bks on backs that we’re JAG types like Moss or Singletary . Resource allocation to me is where they are the most weak at when it comes to team building. Spending draft picks & top 3 money in the league on a dline that never can dominate games is a travesty. They also used 2 3rd rd picks in a row on Matt Milano backups . 
 

This regime also can’t find superstar talent in the draft . They actually traded away the #1 QB in the league Mahomes and the #1 Wr in the league in Jefferson but Beane wants to make excuses that u have to stink to find difference makers in the draft . 
 

Have they blown every decision no but they’ve done enough harm throwing away pks for rotation players that were now living on the cusp of salary cap hell . I can go on and on with this regime failures seems to me like there riding the back of Josh Allen to 12-13 wins per yr and at some point that will end. 

 

 

 

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, Success said:

I saw Broussard say this the other day, responding to Nick Wright's usual deranged lunacy about the Bills.  He couldn't agree w/ some of ol' Nick's ridiculous assessments, but in trying to find some common ground for why Buffalo will never win anything ever at any time, he said that they do lack leadership, from any player, or from McDermott.

 

Personally, I don't fully agree.  I think Allen leads by example, and is a strong personality at the most important position. We've all seen those moments like the end of the 13 seconds game, where he was exhorting the defense on the sideline after our last score, and getting everyone fired up.

 

McDermott - who has my support as a fan - I'm not so sure on.  He seems to be in the weeds a lot, focused on the details. And I think he's a detail guy in general. I'm not sure if he truly LEADS this team, like some of the more legendary HC's who really set the tone, set the boundaries, and were able to create a vision everyone could get behind.

 

Curious what everyone else thinks, and if a "lack of leadership" might be the missing piece that the team needs to figure out, or just develop as they continue to mature.

 

I think the Bills will never win with McDermott and Beane,  they get credit for turning things around but that is because of Josh Allen who is a HOF type of QB.I think it was a huge mistake for Pegula to give them both extensions.

[HOUSE]

I would say the team lacks mental and physical toughness 

 

 

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

You don't really believe that there's a chance that Pegula would fire McD, do you?  I can't imagine that Beane would, ever.  Pegs just extended both of 'em.  If he even remotely thought that there's a chance he'd fire one or the other after the season, why would he have extended them when they were signed through '24?  

 

I don't even see that as a possibility.  I do thnk that the wheels come off defensively speaking, and we could be in trouble on offense if our OL isn't good or we get significant injuries there.  

 

BTW, keep an eye on Press Taylor.  IMO he's going to be a hot commodity for a head coach following this season.  More so than Ben Johnson.  

 

 

Right- that’s why I mentioned the extension

 

No, I don’t believe that they will fire him after this season unless the defense stinks. 
 

if the defense stinks, we probably won’t make the playoffs (in my estimation).  If we don’t make the playoffs, yesc I think he could be fired. 
 

it’ll take a very bad season.  I don’t think it’s impossible considering the conference and our schedule.

[GerstAusGosheim]

I think people are underestimating the leadership lost when Daboll and Leslie exited. That's a significant turnover in guys leading the offensive and defensive meeting rooms. Not saying the other guys can't step up, but sometimes consistency matters.