Do you think Josh cuts the INT's in half this year or is another year with double digit INT's

[Buffalo_Stampede]

38 TDs

21 INTs

 

 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

Because I have the temerity to discuss Josh's ball security issues in a threat about Josh's ball security?

Because the entirety of your repertoire is so hilariously incongruent w the actual success of the Bills of late

[Billl]

4 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

we are all shaking in our boots over the fumbles by Allen that have cost the Bills a Super Bowl.

 

Can you remind us which of those 8 fumbles those were again?

 

 

I don't know that it cost them a Super Bowl, but his fumble against the Texans resulted in a FG for Houston in a game the Texans won in OT.

[Billl]

11 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Because the entirety of your repertoire is so hilariously incongruent w the actual success of the Bills of late

I've been dead on with pretty much everything I've said about them.  They've been a very good team that haven't been able to get over the hump the past few seasons.

 

All off-season, I've said that their age, injuries, and lack of hits in the draft is likely to reveal itself in a big way this season.  Unless I've missed something that makes my take "hilariously incongruent" with reality, the next time you're able to tell me "I told you so" will be the first.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Billl

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Billl said:

I don't know that it cost them a Super Bowl, but his fumble against the Texans resulted in a FG for Houston in a game the Texans won in OT.

Tell us more about this playoff game that you definitely did not watch

1 minute ago, Billl said:

I've been dead on with pretty much everything I've said about them.  They've been a very good team that haven't been able to get over the hump the past few seasons.

 

All off-season, I've said that their age, injuries, and lack of hits in the draft is likely to reveal itself in a big way this season.  Unless I've missed something that makes my take "hilariously incongruent" with reality, the next time you're able to tell me "I told you so" will be the first.

You literally just tried to claim burrow had 100% more rushing TDs than he actually does😂😂😂

[Billl]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Tell us more about this playoff game that you definitely did not watch

I watched him panic in OT and throw a ball blindly backwards over his head.  https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1213620109643792384

 

I also watched him throw a jump ball to a FB who was double covered.

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1213625501996273665?s=20

Edited August 23, 2023 by Billl

[Billl]

7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

literally just tried to claim burrow had 100% more rushing TDs than he actually does

Wow, I typed two instead of one.

[Airseven]

Just now, Billl said:

Wow, I typed two instead of one.

He could be a good politician though.

[BananaB]

***** last year, it’s over. Josh had a terrible oline, a lot of inconsistencies at WR and rookie OC. And an injury which in a recent interview he said he never threw a pass in practice for about 4 or 5 weeks…. If that was some of the other media darlings admitting that we would never hear the end of it. All the original doubters jump on Allen’s back the minute something goes wrong because they want to say I told you so. *****em

Edited August 23, 2023 by BananaB

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

49 minutes ago, julian said:

Burrow isn’t on Allen’s level and I don’t believe it’s particularly close, the Burrow’s D gives up 10 less points per game than Allen’s in the postseason, it’s a team sport, crazy I know.

 

that being said I do believe Burrow is excellent but just doesn’t have all the tools Mahomes and Allen have.

 

id slot him 4th behind Mahomes Allen Herbert.

 

 

 

 I agree 100%. 

 

 I would also add that the Bengals postseason success the last 2 years has been having the best postseasonn defense & their kicker is something like 21 for 21 on fgs.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

20 minutes ago, Billl said:

I don't know that it cost them a Super Bowl, but his fumble against the Texans resulted in a FG for Houston in a game the Texans won in OT.

would’ve been one hell of a run if the 2019 bills won the Super Bowl. One for the ages.

 

The point that the postseason Joe Burrow supporters are missing here is that yeah Josh Allen turns the ball over more, but the dude also puts a lot of points on the scoreboard. Something that to this point, Joe Burrow hasn’t done and so far has been lucky enough not to be called on to do.

 

if Allen was a single digit turnover quarterback, these last three years to go along with his 40+ touchdowns, he would likely be a three time MVP, and probably on his way to the GOAT quarterback status. In other words, those are some lofty expectations.

 

i’m not saying there won’t be a year where Allen puts up 40 touchdowns and single digit turnovers. But it shouldn’t be the expectation. If Allen does put up single digit turnovers, those same folks shouldn’t be upset if he only totals 30 touchdowns on the season because he was being more cautious.

 

 

[FireChans]

31 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

would’ve been one hell of a run if the 2019 bills won the Super Bowl. One for the ages.

 

The point that the postseason Joe Burrow supporters are missing here is that yeah Josh Allen turns the ball over more, but the dude also puts a lot of points on the scoreboard. Something that to this point, Joe Burrow hasn’t done and so far has been lucky enough not to be called on to do.

 

if Allen was a single digit turnover quarterback, these last three years to go along with his 40+ touchdowns, he would likely be a three time MVP, and probably on his way to the GOAT quarterback status. In other words, those are some lofty expectations.

 

i’m not saying there won’t be a year where Allen puts up 40 touchdowns and single digit turnovers. But it shouldn’t be the expectation. If Allen does put up single digit turnovers, those same folks shouldn’t be upset if he only totals 30 touchdowns on the season because he was being more cautious.

 

 

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[In Summary]

5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

im fine with the occasional crazy int. But he seem to struggle with ball security which also single-handedly cause us the Vikings game. 

This. The fumbles are more infuriating than most any INT.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, In Summary said:

This. The fumbles are more infuriating than most any INT.

Not last year. His redzone INTs were infuriating, but he did fix it.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, In Summary said:

This. The fumbles are more infuriating than most any INT.

I much rather have a fumble.

 

you basically have a 50-50 chance of recovering a fumble maybe better in this case since Allen a lot of the times is the first person aware of the fumble and in position to recover like his fumble at the goal line against the Lions for example.

[Billl]

45 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

would’ve been one hell of a run if the 2019 bills won the Super Bowl. One for the ages.

 

The point that the postseason Joe Burrow supporters are missing here is that yeah Josh Allen turns the ball over more, but the dude also puts a lot of points on the scoreboard. Something that to this point, Joe Burrow hasn’t done and so far has been lucky enough not to be called on to do.

 

if Allen was a single digit turnover quarterback, these last three years to go along with his 40+ touchdowns, he would likely be a three time MVP, and probably on his way to the GOAT quarterback status. In other words, those are some lofty expectations.

 

i’m not saying there won’t be a year where Allen puts up 40 touchdowns and single digit turnovers. But it shouldn’t be the expectation. If Allen does put up single digit turnovers, those same folks shouldn’t be upset if he only totals 30 touchdowns on the season because he was being more cautious.

 

 

I agree with almost all of this, but part of the reason Burrow hasn’t been called on to put up tons of points is that he hasn’t turned the ball over and put his defense in terrible positions.  In the Dolphins playoff game, Buffalo had to score more than 31 to win.  Was that bad luck for Josh, or was it his own doing?

 

Josh threw an interception that led to an 18 yard drive by Miami ending in a FG.  Then, Josh threw another interception that led to another 18 yard drive by Miami.  This one resulted in a TD.  Then Josh fumbled, and Miami returned it for a TD.  That’s 18 points directly attributable to turnovers by Allen.  Miami scored 6 times in that game.  Their scoring drives in terms of yards gained were 38, 18, 18, 8, 0 (defensive score), and 75.  That’s one legit drive allowed by Buffalo.  

Josh, IMO, is either the second or third best QB in the game.  Burrow is right there with him even though they’re very different players.  Josh puts up bigger numbers, but he also takes more chances.  If Burrow took more chances, he’d put up bigger numbers as well.  It comes down to whether the juice is worth the squeeze.  So far, Burrow has an AFC championship trophy and a blowout win over the Bills, so he’s got a legit argument for being the better QB.  Josh has bigger numbers with fewer elite weapons, so he’s also got a legit argument.

 

[Scott7975]

Not all of them were his fault, but he did have some headscratchers last year.  Especially in the redzone.  It's those redzone ones I would like to see him cut down on.

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

I agree with almost all of this, but part of the reason Burrow hasn’t been called on to put up tons of points is that he hasn’t turned the ball over and put his defense in terrible positions.  In the Dolphins playoff game, Buffalo had to score more than 31 to win.  Was that bad luck for Josh, or was it his own doing?

 

Josh threw an interception that led to an 18 yard drive by Miami ending in a FG.  Then, Josh threw another interception that led to another 18 yard drive by Miami.  This one resulted in a TD.  Then Josh fumbled, and Miami returned it for a TD.  That’s 18 points directly attributable to turnovers by Allen.  Miami scored 6 times in that game.  Their scoring drives in terms of yards gained were 38, 18, 18, 8, 0 (defensive score), and 75.  That’s one legit drive allowed by Buffalo.  

Josh, IMO, is either the second or third best QB in the game.  Burrow is right there with him even though they’re very different players.  Josh puts up bigger numbers, but he also takes more chances.  If Burrow took more chances, he’d put up bigger numbers as well.  It comes down to whether the juice is worth the squeeze.  So far, Burrow has an AFC championship trophy and a blowout win over the Bills, so he’s got a legit argument for being the better QB.  Josh has bigger numbers with fewer elite weapons, so he’s also got a legit argument.

 

I love Josh more than anyone. But Josh has never had to put up 40 to win and done so in the postseason either. To hold Burrow to that standard or else hes's a glorified Trent Dilfer is LUDICROUS.

 

Josh has one game, one game in his postseason career, where he played almost perfect and lost. That sucks. It happens and it's been talked to death. But to act as though he's been dragging the Bills for 4 years through these deep playoff runs is BANANAS.

 

Josh played like ***** against the Bengals in 2022. The whole team sucked. We lost. Josh made CRITICAL errors vs the Dolphins the week before. It turned a running for the bus game into a dog fight.

 

Josh was perfect in 2021.

 

Josh played well vs the Colts in 2020. Hard fought game vs a good team.  He was kinda bad vs the Ravens, and we needed a pick six to close it out (offense only put up 10 points.)  He was meh vs the Chiefs in 2020 but that was a team loss, in which he takes his share of the blame as well.

 

Josh was bad v Houston in 2019.  He was on the wrong end of a comeback, and again, had several critical mistakes to lose.

 

These things are all okay.  Peyton Manning was one of the greatest QBs ever and his resume is STACKED with some ugly playoff moments.  He still won two Superbowls.

 

None of this means Josh isn't "clutch" or that he doesn't have a ton of "putting the team on my back" moments. But he ain't no Tom Brady yet either.

[GoBills808]

Lol

 

Allen has better playoff numbers than Tom Brady across the entire board

[4th&long]

6 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

When you throw the ball 500+ times, have 30+ TDs and have under 15 picks, I’m not too worried.

People don’t get this. They put the ball in the air a lot, it’s going to happen. The other guys are getting paid also. There were some ugly red zone picks, I just hope he cuts down on them, that’s what killed us. The rest I’m not too worried about.

Edited August 23, 2023 by 4th&long