Do you think Josh cuts the INT's in half this year or is another year with double digit INT's

[FilthyBeast]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Last Time I checked football is the ultimate team game?

 

Burrow was not the reason the Bengals went to the super bowl...sure , a part.. but not the reason

 

I wager Josh Allen wins the super bowl if he was on that Bengals team

 

Joe burrow hasn't won anything yet either.. going to the super bowl means squat

 

Is Nick foles a better quarterback than Josh Allen because he's a super bowl winner? No

 

These are valid points, but I sense a lot of ya'all are wrong about Burrow just like many Bills fans that wanted to believe (and some probably still do) that JA17 is better than Mahomes.

 

Nothing wrong with being in the top 5 - 10 mix at all and it doesn't preclude JA17 from winning multiple SB's at some point but I can't imagine there are many NFL GM's that would take JA17 over Burrow right now. In fact I'd trade JA17 for either Burrow or Mahomes (probably even a few others) without blinking or thinking twice about it.

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

These are valid points, but I sense a lot of ya'all are wrong about Burrow just like many Bills fans that wanted to believe (and some probably still do) that JA17 is better than Mahomes.

 

Nothing wrong with being in the top 5 - 10 mix at all and it doesn't preclude JA17 from winning multiple SB's at some point but I can't imagine there are many NFL GM's that would take JA17 over Burrow right now. In fact I'd trade JA17 for either Burrow or Mahomes (probably even a few others) without blinking or thinking twice about it.

I don't think anybody here said burrow isn't good or top 3-4

 

He's elite

 

But that doesn't mean Josh Allen is not better... Josh has tons of NFL records to his name that are only going to grow.. only player ever to have three straight 40 touchdown seasons

 

He certainly has the room to grow and be the best player in the world.. not the best quarterback the best player in the world... And when he's dialed in he might be the best player in the world already

 

If he cuts down some turnovers the sky is the limit

 

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Franco_92]

In the 2021 playoffs burrow got to the super bowl leading his offense to 7 touchdowns on 45 drives. Those same playoffs Allen led the Bills to 12 touchdowns in 16 drives 

[FireChans]

43 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lol

 

Allen has better playoff numbers than Tom Brady across the entire board

Allen is better than Brady in the playoffs is a lol-worthy take, but probably not in the way you think.

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Allen is better than Brady in the playoffs is a lol-worthy take, but probably not in the way you think.

comp%

Allen- 63.8

Brady- 62.5

 

TD%

Allen- 5.5

Brady- 4.6

 

INT%

Allen-1.3

Brady- 2.1

 

rating

Allen- 99.6

Brady- 89.8

 

ypg

Allen- 292

Brady- 280

 

any/a

Allen- 7.02

Brady- 6.42

 

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

comp%

Allen- 63.8

Brady- 62.5

 

TD%

Allen- 5.5

Brady- 4.6

 

INT%

Allen-1.3

Brady- 2.1

 

rating

Allen- 99.6

Brady- 89.8

 

ypg

Allen- 292

Brady- 280

 

any/a

Allen- 7.02

Brady- 6.42

 

Lmao even Josh himself would say you’re insane.

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, Toyo321 said:

I think he can do this if he is smarter with the ball in the red-zone,  last year he made some really bad throws that were picked off and should have been check down throws instead.

 

This also goes back to what Dorsey does this year to help with this problem by utilizing the backs and TE's more

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJTPRjTldo

 

 

 

 

 

especially in a 17 game season, 10 picks don’t worry me. 
 

at that tier, it’s more about context. Having a red zone int returned as a pick 6 in a tight game would a totally different discussion than lobbying a deep ball vs the pats in the 2nd quarter 

 

or clustering 3 against a conference rivaL

 

in General a pick basically every other game is pretty meh though 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

5 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Sometimes you have to look beyond the numbers and what actually matters. And when I look at Burrow I see a guy that's 4-2 lifetime in the playoffs (2 appearances) including 3-1 on the road in the AFC playoffs. One SB appearance, back to back AFCCG. This isn't by accident. JA17 in comparison is 4-4 (4 appearances) including 0-3 on the road.

 

It's not taking away anything from JA17, I've moved past doubting him and he's definitely a top 5 - 10 NFL QB at worst but I just don't see how you can put him in the same conversation with Mahomes/Burrow until he at least gets to a SB, wins a road playoff game, etc. Obviously the current HC is a major reason why this hasn't happened yet and why the SB will remain elusive as long as he's here.

 

 Burrow has never put up more than 27 points in any playoff game he's played to date. Josh's 8 postseason game average nearly matches Burrow's career high averaging 26.75 ppg. 

 

 Burrow has thrown 9 tds & 4 ints on 251 postseason attempts, averaging 7.27 yards per attempt. He's led Cincy to 12 td drives & a whopping 19 fg drives in 7 career postseason games. Talk about not being able to get it in the endzone.

 

Josh has thrown 17 tds & only 4 ints on 309 postseason attempts, averaging 7.55 yards per attempt. He's led Buffalo to 24 td drives & 14 fgs in 8 postseason games. Look at the passing tds & td/fg ratio of them both. One is far better than the other. Josh has nearly twice as many passing tds as Burrow dies in only 1 extra game and still has the same number of ints as Burrow.

 

 Josh's postseason QB Rating is also 5.8 points higher than Burrows(99.6 vs 93.8). Now let's widen the gap even more. Burrows career postseason rushing stats 26/101/3.88/1. Allen's career postseason rushing stats 63/417/6.62/2. Allen also has the only postseason reception between the 2 going for 16 yards and yet another td. Burrow has also been sacked 8 more times than Allen on about 50 less dropbacks.

 

The postseason numbers all the way around show Allen hasn’t just been better than Burrow, he's been quite a bit better. Even though he has a DC as HC and a much, much worse supporting cast on offense while Burrow has an OC as HC and a far better OL and weapons. 

 

 At this point you're just being a Burrow homer and penalizing Josh for having a worse supporting cast. The only thing better about Burrow in the postseason has been he's had the best postseason defense over the last 2 postseasons and his kicker has been perfect in 7 career postseason games averaging nearly 3 fgs a game.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

These are valid points, but I sense a lot of ya'all are wrong about Burrow just like many Bills fans that wanted to believe (and some probably still do) that JA17 is better than Mahomes.

 

Nothing wrong with being in the top 5 - 10 mix at all and it doesn't preclude JA17 from winning multiple SB's at some point but I can't imagine there are many NFL GM's that would take JA17 over Burrow right now. In fact I'd trade JA17 for either Burrow or Mahomes (probably even a few others) without blinking or thinking twice about it.

yea, I mean Big Ben was neither Brady nor manning but did do pretty well for himself I suppose, right?

[Billl]

Comparing current stats to a guy who came into the league 23 years ago is…something.

 

Brady’s first playoffs were in 2001.  2 QBs threw for over 4,000 yards that season.  9 threw for over 20 TDs.  12 threw more that 15 INTs.

 

In 2022, 9 QBs threw for over 4,000 yards, 14 threw over 20 TDs, and none threw more than 15 INTs.

 

In 2001, there had been one 5,000 yard passing season in history, and it hadn’t happened in 17 years.  It’s happened 14 times since then.  To put it mildly, it’s not an apples to apples comparison.

 

When Brady was at the same point in his career that Josh is in today, he had 11 TDs, 3 INTs, 2 fumbles, and was 9-0.

 

Josh has 17 TDs, 4 INTs, 8 fumbles, and is 4-4.  

 

Both have impressive numbers, but that doesn’t mean that Josh is an equal or superior postseason QB to Brady.

Edited August 23, 2023 by Billl

[In Summary]

3 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

I much rather have a fumble.

 

you basically have a 50-50 chance of recovering a fumble maybe better in this case since Allen a lot of the times is the first person aware of the fumble and in position to recover like his fumble at the goal line against the Lions for example.

Well reasoned. I'll restate thus, fumbles seem to be the more needless type of turnover. 

[DapperCam]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Comparing current stats to a guy who came into the league 23 years ago is…something.

 

Brady’s first playoffs were in 2001.  2 QBs threw for over 4,000 yards that season.  9 threw for over 20 TDs.  12 threw more that 15 INTs.

 

In 2022, 9 QBs threw for over 4,000 yards, 14 threw over 20 TDs, and none threw more than 15 INTs.

 

In 2001, there had been one 5,000 yard passing season in history, and it hadn’t happened in 17 years.  It’s happened 14 times since then.  To put it mildly, it’s not an apples to apples comparison.

 

When Brady was at the same point in his career that Josh is in today, he had 11 TDs, 3 INTs, 2 fumbles, and was 9-0.

 

Josh has 17 TDs, 4 INTs, 8 fumbles, and is 4-4.  

 

Both have impressive numbers, but that doesn’t mean that Josh is an equal or superior postseason QB to Brady.

Brady was greatly helped in his early playoff runs by having an elite defense.

[Dr.Sack]

Allen loves throwing into coverages no QB since Favre would attempt. To make it spicier Allen also loves mimicking McCoy with the ball. All told Allen is good for 25-30 turnover worthy plays per season. It’s all part of the JA17 experience and I’m fine with that.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Dr.Sack

[without a drought]

Is this a sign Tyrod thread?

[LABILLBACKER]

It will depend on the OL and Josh's ability to embrace the pocket. If the OT's fail, he'll be off to the races.  27 total turnovers must drop to below 20.

Edited August 24, 2023 by LABILLBACKER

[Billl]

47 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Brady was greatly helped in his early playoff runs by having an elite defense.

That’s true, but isn’t the same true of Allen?

 

Buffalo has ranked 2nd, 1st, 16th, and 2nd the past 4 seasons in points allowed.  

 

New England ranked 7th, 2nd, 14th, and 13th Brady’s first 4 seasons.

Edited August 24, 2023 by Billl

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 Burrow has never put up more than 27 points in any playoff game he's played to date. Josh's 8 postseason game average nearly matches Burrow's career high averaging 26.75 ppg. 

 

 Burrow has thrown 9 tds & 4 ints on 251 postseason attempts, averaging 7.27 yards per attempt. He's led Cincy to 12 td drives & a whopping 19 fg drives in 7 career postseason games. Talk about not being able to get it in the endzone.

 

Josh has thrown 17 tds & only 4 ints on 309 postseason attempts, averaging 7.55 yards per attempt. He's led Buffalo to 24 td drives & 14 fgs in 8 postseason games. Look at the passing tds & td/fg ratio of them both. One is far better than the other. Josh has nearly twice as many passing tds as Burrow dies in only 1 extra game and still has the same number of ints as Burrow.

 

 Josh's postseason QB Rating is also 5.8 points higher than Burrows(99.6 vs 93.8). Now let's widen the gap even more. Burrows career postseason rushing stats 26/101/3.88/1. Allen's career postseason rushing stats 63/417/6.62/2. Allen also has the only postseason reception between the 2 going for 16 yards and yet another td. Burrow has also been sacked 8 more times than Allen on about 50 less dropbacks.

 

The postseason numbers all the way around show Allen hasn’t just been better than Burrow, he's been quite a bit better. Even though he has a DC as HC and a much, much worse supporting cast on offense while Burrow has an OC as HC and a far better OL and weapons. 

 

 At this point you're just being a Burrow homer and penalizing Josh for having a worse supporting cast. The only thing better about Burrow in the postseason has been he's had the best postseason defense over the last 2 postseasons and his kicker has been perfect in 7 career postseason games averaging nearly 3 fgs a game.

 

 

If only Burrow got to play the tomatocan Pats.

[90sBills]

26 minutes ago, Billl said:

That’s true, but isn’t the same true of Allen?

 

Buffalo has ranked 2nd, 1st, 16th, and 2nd the past 4 seasons in points allowed.  

 

New England ranked 7th, 2nd, 14th, and 13th Brady’s first 4 seasons.

I’d say it’s more true of Burrow. Bills defense hasn’t been good in the playoffs. 

[MJS]

Well, cutting them in half would be incredible, but I think he needs to not turn the ball over as much. His turnovers were up last year. We know he has the ability to turn it over less.

 

Maybe his injury played into it, or the receivers, or whatever, but the bottom line is he needs to elevate and take command of the offense and take care of the football better. Cutting down the turnovers should be a primary focus for him and the offense.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

If only Burrow got to play the tomatocan Pats.

 

 The tomatocan Pats defense that year was 4th in yards allowed and 2nd in point allowed.