Do you think Josh cuts the INT's in half this year or is another year with double digit INT's

[Toyo321]

I think he can do this if he is smarter with the ball in the red-zone,  last year he made some really bad throws that were picked off and should have been check down throws instead.

 

This also goes back to what Dorsey does this year to help with this problem by utilizing the backs and TE's more

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcJTPRjTldo

 

 

 

[Chaos]

Do you have same double digit int question for Mahomes and Burrows?

[FireChans]

Part of Josh is being a gutsy baller and that means attempting SOME ill-advised throws. 
 

I don’t want him playing Rodgers ball where he would rather go 3 and out 5 times than throw a pick. 
 

That being said, I’m hoping last year’s red zone woes were an aberration in his career.

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, Chaos said:

Do you have same double digit int question for Mahomes and Burrows?

Did either of them lead the league in turnovers?

[FilthyBeast]

Unfortunately I can see JA17 matching or exceeding the turnover numbers this year if he continues to be reckless and reverts to the hero ball stuff. But behind a suspect oline yet again can't really blame him for trying to carry this team on his shoulders.

 

If this team can ever run the ball effectively it would go a long way in terms of cutting down on the mistakes.

[Beast]

Doesn’t matter to me as long as they score a lot of points.

[Gregg]

If the OL improves and gives Josh time to throw the ball as well as an improved run game, then that should help limit the turnovers. 

[FilthyBeast]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Do you have same double digit int question for Mahomes and Burrows?

 

Nope because they've been to a combined 4 SB's the last 4 years and the consensus top 2 QB's in the league.

[dorquemada]

Yeah i think it all comes down to the supporting cast.  I'm not going to lay too much blame on Allen when he's running for his life on 90% of plays.  If our OL could play at an even JV level, i expect the rest of the story to get better

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I think he throws 20 this year.

[Andrew Son]

He simply needs to be more careful with the ball.  Not only did he lead the league in turnovers (19) last year while only playing 16 games, but take a look at his postseason record.  He has 12 turnovers in 8 career postseason games which would equate to 25.5 over a 17 game schedule.

[nucci]

Could go either way, you never know, time will tell....having said that

[Udubalum07]

If he can keep it around 9 to 10, that would be a good improvement.  He is never going to top the charts for least amount of interceptions, but if he is in the top half, that would be an mvp type season. 

[Brand J]

He threw quite a few directly to defenders. I don’t expect that this season. You can live with the INTs on 50/50 balls, deflections/tips, 3rd and forevers, and Hail Marys, just don’t throw them in the red zone or to a different color jersey. His first step in cutting down on that is finding trust with this new OL.

Edited August 23, 2023 by JayBaller10

[ddaryl]

OL, Run game support, Dorsey, Josh's pocket awareness

Those 4 things need to be better this year if Josh is going to be able to keep those INTs down. Those are 4 things that need significant improvements if we have any chance of going to the SB

[julian]

3 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

Nope because they've been to a combined 4 SB's the last 4 years and the consensus top 2 QB's in the league.

Burrow isn’t on Allen’s level and I don’t believe it’s particularly close, the Burrow’s D gives up 10 less points per game than Allen’s in the postseason, it’s a team sport, crazy I know.

 

that being said I do believe Burrow is excellent but just doesn’t have all the tools Mahomes and Allen have.

 

id slot him 4th behind Mahomes Allen Herbert.

 

 

[Gregg]

4 minutes ago, julian said:

Burrow isn’t on Allen’s level and I don’t believe it’s particularly close, the Burrow’s D gives up 10 less points per game than Allen’s in the postseason, it’s a team sport, crazy I know.

 

that being said I do believe Burrow is excellent but just doesn’t have all the tools Mahomes and Allen have.

 

id slot him 4th behind Mahomes Allen Herbert.

 

 

 

It also helps to have Chase, Higgins, Boyd, and Mixon out there with him. 

[frostbitmic]

He'll have better Guard play in front of him this year which should cut back on INT's.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

When you throw the ball 500+ times, have 30+ TDs and have under 15 picks, I’m not too worried.

[DapperCam]

I was curious, so I looked at all of his INTs from last year: 

1. Rams - Bounced off of McKenzie's hands into the defender. Not Allen's fault at all. Targeting McKenzie.
2. Rams - I think Crowder did a lazy/wrong route. He sort of rounded it off at the top, when Allen threw it as if he would cut across. I'll mark this one as miscommunication or neutral. Targeting Crowder
3. Ravens - Tipped at the line. Not Allen's fault (or I guess whatever amount of blame you assign the QB for a pass tipped at the line). Targeting Knox.
4. Steelers.- Just a straight up under throw. Not a bad decision, but inaccurate pass. Targeting Davis.
5. Packers - Threw across his body on the run to the middle of the field. Actually did have Davis open, but an inaccurate pass. Might not have seen the defender. Targeting Davis.
6. Packers - Threw late on a scramble to Davis' feet. I actually think this was supposed to be a throw away, but the DB made a great diving play. Next time throw it out of the back of the endzone Allen. Targeting Davis.
7. Jets - Allen scrambling to this right. It was such a bad throw, I wonder if Knox was supposed to cut back. May have been a miscommunication. Allen missed the throw by 4 yards. Targeting Knox.
8. Jets - No idea what happened here. Allen seemingly just floated one out there. Davis stuck to the sideline, and maybe he was supposed to cut in? It still would have been a contested catch, and I think Allen might not have seen the defender there. I think this one was part miscommunication, part bad decision anyway. Targeting Davis.
9. Vikings - Scrambling on 4th down in the red zone, bad decision to throw into a very small window and Peterson intercepted. I think Allen felt like he "had" to throw it no matter what because it was 4th down anyway and was going to be a turnover on downs. We seem to be allergic to running in this scenario. Targeting Knox I think.
10. Vikings - OT pick, bad decision because he went for it all when we could have just kept picking up first downs. I think this was also a miscommunication with Davis. Allen threw the ball before Davis made his cut. Davis sort of floated into the endzone, and Allen threw it as if he was going to cut across the goalline. Targeting Davis.
11. Lions - Set play where Allen threw an immediate slant on RPO. Linebacker makes a great play to tip and pick. Not sure if this is Allen's fault, or just a great defensive play. Targeting Diggs.
12. Bears - Under threw McKenzie on a deep pass into double coverage. Might have had the TD with a perfect throw, but bad under throw here. Targeting McKenzie.
13. Bears - Cook ran across as a safety valve and stopped running. Allen threw it where he would have been if he kept running. I think this one was a miscommunication with the rookie. Targeting Cook.
14. Pats - Hit while throwing leading to an under throw. Held the ball a touch too long, but these things sort of happen. Targeting Davis.
15. Dolphins - This was a bomb to John Brown. I think this was a miscommunication on where he expected Brown to be. This happens when you bring new receivers in at the end of the year, lol. Was also a nice grab by the DB. Targeting Brown.
16. Dolphins - Somewhat late throw that hits Beasley in the hands and bounces to a Dolphin player. You could argue it was pass interference as well. I don't think this one was really Allen's fault. Targeting Beasley.
17. Bengals - One minute left in a playoff blowout, so who really cares. Threw way late to Beasley. Not a lot of velocity on the pass allowed a DB to get under it. Targeting Beasley.

A few interesting conclusions:
- Communication issues with the WRs and RBs, especially Gabe Davis. I think these option routes really caused a lot of issues last year.
- Only one pick targeting Diggs, and it was really just a great defensive play. Why only one pick targeting our most targeted player? Makes me think that a lot of this is on the receiver.
- Throwing late and scrambling. Allen needs to throw it away 10% more when scrambling. Live to fight another down.
- Twice as many picks the second half of the season vs the first half. I'm convinced Allen got some sort of injury around halftime of the GB game. His play totally fell off after that.

Edited August 23, 2023 by DapperCam