Cap space

[BarleyNY]

2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

This is exactly my point of making the thread....the Bills have some knobs to turn but not as many as years past and ones you may not want to turn.

Totally agree. They have made all of the easy moves available to create cap space. Now it gets dicier. 

[Solomon Grundy]

16 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I’m thinking this is Morse’s last season.  They’re grooming Bates as the team’s next center. 

Morse, IMO, is the elephant in the room... And I'm not speaking literally 😎

[BarleyNY]

11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Morse, IMO, is the elephant in the room... And I'm not speaking literally 😎

Yup. I think if Bates was playing better Morse would be out the door next week. Morse’s play has been steadily declining over the last few years, but I don’t see Bates really stepping up either. The Bills brass probably won’t want to change up Allen’s center just prior to such an important season. I think he stays one more season, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by BarleyNY

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

This is not even remotely correct. Miller is not his last year. Due to his contract guarantees and structure the Bills have to keep him through next year, 2024. Most of his salary that season is guaranteed anyway. They can release him before the 2025 season, but he will have a large dead cap hit of $15.4M. I expect that they will designate him a 6/1 cut to kick some of that into 2025. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/

That’s what I meant even though I worded it wrong 2024 is basically his last year and his dead cap hit is literally nothing compared to what the cap will be come that time in addition Diggs ironically is around 2025 very tradeable if they wanted as well. They have 10 picks next year so replacing these guys isn’t that difficult if Beane hits on his picks  

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

Yup. I think if Bates was playing better Morse would be out the door next week. Morse’s play has been steadily declining over the last few years, but I don’t see Bates really stepping up either. The Bills brass probably won’t want to change up Allen’s center just prior to such an important season. I think he stays one more season, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he didn’t. 

If you want to solve the cap problem this year without taking from future cap, Morse is a cut target...I floated that a while back and got lambasted even though like you I figure he sticks this year.   If he was to get cut we know why.....I do wonder if they opt to keep some surprise guys over some who are schedule for a couple million to save here and there a little bit.  They don't have to and probably won't.

[BarleyNY]

13 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

That’s what I meant even though I worded it wrong 2024 is basically his last year and his dead cap hit is literally nothing compared to what the cap will be come that time in addition Diggs ironically is around 2025 very tradeable if they wanted as well. They have 10 picks next year so replacing these guys isn’t that difficult if Beane hits on his picks  

 

$15.4M is still a lot of dead cap. Currently the Bills only have $5.2M total dead cap for this season, although that will probably grow a little after the cut down. $15.4M should be around 6.5% of the 2024 cap allowance, which should be around $240M. To put that into perspective, only 4 Bills players account for more than 5% of this year’s cap. That is why I think they’ll designate him a 6/1 cut. 

[YattaOkasan]

This thread is weird.  Not looking through it all.  Over the cap has a very different number with 6 mil available.   Beane likely has different number.  Also were very unlikely to cut guys with big dead cap like Poona Ford or Mitch Morse.  What are we doing here?  They may extend Jones but I think they dont need to do much.  

[Logic]

[ColoradoBills]

31 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

This thread is weird.  Not looking through it all.  Over the cap has a very different number with 6 mil available.   Beane likely has different number.  Also were very unlikely to cut guys with big dead cap like Poona Ford or Mitch Morse.  What are we doing here?  They may extend Jones but I think they dont need to do much.  

 

I will agree with the bolded.  Both Spotrac and OTC are "unofficial" numbers.  Although, OTC does not add money to the Top 51 that Spotrac does.

Example:  Dorian Williams is not in the Top 51 but Spotrac adds $228k in Top 51 cap hit for his 2023 cap hit IF CUT.

We all know Dorian Williams will make the team and between what I just mentioned and him replacing a higher paid Top 51 player Beane is

not as bad off as some think.  I tried talking about this in a post earlier in this thread.

 

I do think that Beane is closer to having only do some small moves, after all the dust settles, than some fans think he has to do.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Man, now I’m depressed.

 

The future is NOW

[Tuco]

5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I will agree with the bolded.  Both Spotrac and OTC are "unofficial" numbers.  Although, OTC does not add money to the Top 51 that Spotrac does.

Example:  Dorian Williams is not in the Top 51 but Spotrac adds $228k in Top 51 cap hit for his 2023 cap hit IF CUT.

We all know Dorian Williams will make the team and between what I just mentioned and him replacing a higher paid Top 51 player Beane is

not as bad off as some think.  I tried talking about this in a post earlier in this thread.

 

I do think that Beane is closer to having only do some small moves, after all the dust settles, than some fans think he has to do.

Agreed. We may need a little more space but it's not as much as a lot of people think.

[Simon]

10 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I think if Bates was playing better Morse would be out the door next week. Morse’s play has been steadily declining over the last few years,

 

I'm sorry, but this is 100% hogwash.

[Saxum]

14 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I'm sorry, but this is 100% hogwash.

 

I agree with Simon.  Bates was resigned by Bills matching Bears contract to be 6th lineman so there was one less lineman needed to be active.

Morse’s play has degraded due to trying to trying to compensate for guard play.

[Simon]

51 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Morse’s play has degraded due to trying to trying to compensate for guard play.

 

Morse is the same guy guy he was when he signed with the Bills, his play has not degraded at all, imo.

 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

I'm sorry, but this is 100% hogwash.

Nah. If Bates was up to Morse’s level of play at this time, they’d move on from Morse. Matching the Bears offer for Bates was a mistake. He isn’t worth the contract he’s on. As for Morse, he has slipped a bit and he is already 31. I think he sticks this year but that’s probably it. Remember, it is always better to move on from a a player a year early than a year late. But his contract was front loaded so he’s not getting all that much cash. Still, they need to make cap room and moving on from him would certainly help. 

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

As for Morse, he has slipped a bit and he is already 31..... Still, they need to make cap room and moving on from him would certainly help. 

 

Morse hasn't slipped a bit and has been the Bills most consistently good player on the OLine since he arrived here.

Cutting a guy like that to save money is the best way to make your team worse.

[newcam2012]

What's all this talk about?

 

The Bills roster is solid. Beane has built a great team surrounded by a great coach and assistants. 

 

Folks no need to make drastic changes. No panic, concern, or worries. 

 

Beane and McD have built a helluva team. Top 5 in the league. Many here are are concern mode. Sure I get it but I also have 6 years of greatness in Beane and McD. They know more than the fans. 

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

Morse hasn't slipped a bit and has been the Bills most consistently good player on the OLine since he arrived here.

Cutting a guy like that to save money is the best way to make your team worse.

Morse is solid. He is a nice piece to the already strong Buffalo oline. 

[BarleyNY]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

Morse hasn't slipped a bit and has been the Bills most consistently good player on the OLine since he arrived here.

Cutting a guy like that to save money is the best way to make your team worse.

Dawkins has been the best OL on the Bills for years. He’s been above average, which is sadly the best we’ve had. Morse has been a very average C, but he brought stability to the interior OL when we desperately needed it. That’s why the Bills overpaid for him at the time and why that was okay. He is not overpaid at today’s MV, but he has seen his best days. I’m not advocating for moving on from him now. We have no better option.

[Orlando Buffalo]

The position with some talent that might shake loose that we need is MLB. There are not 64 good OTs on planet so getting one later is unlikely. 

[Matt_In_NH]

10 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I agree with Simon.  Bates was resigned by Bills matching Bears contract to be 6th lineman so there was one less lineman needed to be active.

Morse’s play has degraded due to trying to trying to compensate for guard play.

I agree Morse is staying on the team but I don't understand the bolded.  Every NFL team gets to have a 48 active player if its an 8th OL which most teams including the Bills take full advantage of.  Bates is a versatile backup but it does not change how many OL the Bills carry or activate on gameday