Cap space

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, Toyo321 said:

We are at -41 million already for next year. Not good,  that is why they need to pull a LA Rams this year and get a STUD RB and what ever LB some way, somehow,  this year before the pieces to the puzzle all come apart for this team.  Von Miller's Contract killed this team.

I hated the Von signing when it happened due to age and the amount of money.  Hate it even worse now.

[TheWeatherMan]

If we really want to free up cap space, be like the Jets and pay salaries off the books.  Modify Josh’s contract to reduce his salary by $15M per year…good to go.  

[Beast]

4 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

At this point they need to generate space for guys they currently have.   No team has zero holes.

It’s amazing that people don’t get that. You are 100% correct.

[SCBills]

I may have issues with how Beane does some things, but managing the cap isn’t one of them.  
 

Im sure he’ll figure it out.  He’s lined up contracts for a reason and acquired a bunch of draft picks next year, also, for a reason. 
 

Could very well be the last go around for Hyde, Poyer and Morse this year. 
 

I don’t know that the Bills will want to stand pat on Dawkins and White cap-wise, so it may be a situation where one or both are extended at some point to create cap space next year  or potentially also playing their last season here. 
 

Those are the five question marks, imo, after the season. 
 

Also.. does anyone know what the effects of a Milano trade next year would be on the cap?  
 

Edited August 23, 2023 by SCBills

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I may have issues with how Beane does some things, but managing the cap isn’t one of them.  
 

Im sure he’ll figure it out.  He’s lined up contracts for a reason and acquired a bunch of draft picks next year, also, for a reason. 
 

Could very well be the last go around for Hyde, Poyer and Morse this year. 
 

I don’t know that the Bills will want to stand pat on Dawkins and White cap-wise, so it may be a situation where one or both are extended at some point to create cap space next year  or potentially also playing their last season here. 
 

Those are the five question marks, imo, after the season. 
 

Also.. does anyone know what the effects of a Milano trade next year would be on the cap?  
 

 

Milano has a huge amount of dead cap next year.  He's not going anywhere.  Your points about next year though have a lot of potential.

 

I'm a compromiser in life so I see one of Dawkins/White as a potential trade/cap casualty.  However, if they both play well it will be a great

problem to have.

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The Bills have somewhere around 2.2M in cap space at this time with top 51.  After next week they need 53 plus IR guys, plus practice squad.  They also need 5-6M for in season moves.  There is room for some movement when they cut to 53 depending on who they cut but more than likely they will need to restructure or extend someone with decent base salary.  The top options are Dawkins (8.8M), Tre (8.6M), D Jones (6.75M), Morse, (6.64M) Taron Johnson (5.5M).   I bet they extend Dawkins but I would rather keep Jones and T Johnson longer, any other thoughts?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

 

A few of those in the top 51 might not make the roster. 

 

If so, they would likely be replaced by cheaper guys.

 

The fewer of those chances to clear cap space are used this year, the better for the team's long-term cap viability.

[ColoradoBills]

10 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

A few of those in the top 51 might not make the roster. 

 

If so, they would likely be replaced by cheaper guys.

 

The fewer of those chances to clear cap space are used this year, the better for the team's long-term cap viability.

 

I always like to look at the Spotrac roster at the guys below the 51 cutoff and count how many are going to make the team in my view.

Of course, 2 will be the 52nd and 53rd roster guys.

 

As I see it those below the Top 51 are:  Hamlin, Williams, Shakir, Benford, and Morris.

Add to that list a good chance of some of these guys:  Isabella, Shorter, Van Demark and a couple of other maybes.

 

Then you got to look at the Top 51 and cut guys to make room for the below guys.

It's a fun thing to do.  I'm retired, so I got the time.  LOL.

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

 

that can wait till next offseason. I see no one on the team that must be extended now

 

the holes we have are large and no team thinking they are competing for SB should or could have. MLB and OL

 

 

 

They need space this year.  Something has to happen

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Also.. does anyone know what the effects of a Milano trade next year would be on the cap?

A Milano trade?

34 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I always like to look at the Spotrac roster at the guys below the 51 cutoff and count how many are going to make the team in my view.

Of course, 2 will be the 52nd and 53rd roster guys.

 

As I see it those below the Top 51 are:  Hamlin, Williams, Shakir, Benford, and Morris.

Add to that list a good chance of some of these guys:  Isabella, Shorter, Van Demark and a couple of other maybes.

 

Then you got to look at the Top 51 and cut guys to make room for the below guys.

It's a fun thing to do.  I'm retired, so I got the time.  LOL.

That is definitely part of it....there are not a lot of target in the top 51 that result in big savings though....it gets better if you spread it over two years but that just makes next year a little worse

[ColoradoBills]

13 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

A Milano trade?

That is definitely part of it....there are not a lot of target in the top 51 that result in big savings though....it gets better if you spread it over two years but that just makes next year a little worse

 

No there isn't.  Beane doesn't need that much to stay under the cap though.

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

A Milano trade?

That is definitely part of it....there are not a lot of target in the top 51 that result in big savings though....it gets better if you spread it over two years but that just makes next year a little worse

If tough decisions have to be made, it’s a lot easier to move Milano for a pick and replace him with Williams/Bernard at their natural position than say LT or CB. 
 

It’s not ideal, but off-seasons are likely going to have an Edmunds like loss (at least) more often than not moving forward.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2023 by SCBills

[Turk71]

Jones and Johnson are good restructure targets. 

[John from Riverside]

34 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If tough decisions have to be made, it’s a lot easier to move Milano for a pick and replace him with Williams/Bernard at their natural position than say LT or CB. 
 

It’s not ideal, but off-seasons are likely going to have an Edmunds like loss (at least) more often than not moving forward.

 

 

These things will have a way of working themselves out
 

I think it is far more likely that Dorian Williams is playing the mike next year then we move our star linebacker, Matt Milano

[Dr.Sack]

Extend Allen and modify contract. 

[BarleyNY]

10 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The Bills have somewhere around 2.2M in cap space at this time with top 51.  After next week they need 53 plus IR guys, plus practice squad.  They also need 5-6M for in season moves.  There is room for some movement when they cut to 53 depending on who they cut but more than likely they will need to restructure or extend someone with decent base salary.  The top options are Dawkins (8.8M), Tre (8.6M), D Jones (6.75M), Morse, (6.64M) Taron Johnson (5.5M).   I bet they extend Dawkins but I would rather keep Jones and T Johnson longer, any other thoughts?

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/

 

Yes. It’s a good topic for discussion. I’ve been kicking the can down the road on It because there are not a lot of great options. Tre makes the most sense to me since he is signed through 2025, but the Bills need more than the $5M or so they can get from his contract.

 

All of the other players you mention are the logical places to look, but all are near the end of their deals. Johnson, Dawkins and Morse are signed through 2024 and Jones only for this season. Restructures with void years (Dawkins already has them) could be used or legitimate extensions would have to be done. I don’t know which contracts could be extended by the Bills without the player approval. No way to know without having access to it. If they have a say, then I’d think they’d want extensions rather than a restructure.

 

Which of those players would you extend? Morse is at the end. No way. Extending Dawkins scares me so I’d pass on that too unless I could get away with guaranteeing next year in exchange for cap relief. I doubt that would fly tho. I guess Johnson is a decent possibility. He just turned 27 so he should have some years left. Jones is tough due to his age. We’d have to guarantee money next season. I wouldn’t go further than that. That’s all I got unless they think they can get away with Bates at C and cut Morse. I would not do that at this point however. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by BarleyNY

[BarleyNY]

8 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I think Poona Ford gets cut and Boogie gets traded

That would actually lose us cap space due to guaranteed money (Ford, $1.5M), dead cap (Basham $362k) and the replacement salaries of players taking their roster spots. 

24 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Extend Allen and modify contract. 

That won’t work. It is already maxed out in that way. 

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, jahnyc said:

I would be surprised if they extended Tre or Dawkins.  I think there are reasons why they were not restructured this offseason, including to provide potential flexibility for compensation reductions or release next off season if they do not play well (or at least at their level of compensation).  

No way I'm extending Tre or Dion. I'm not even sure Dawkins will be here next year. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Morris retirement, Poyer cut and restructures to Deon and Trey and they are just fine. Von is really on the last year of his deal as his dead cap hit after 2024 is nonexistent 

Allen is now the tenth highest paid QB in the league.

I can easily live with a bunch of draft picks on D since the Vets have a hard time with a QB with a pulse anyway. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat

[BarleyNY]

42 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Von is really on the last year of his deal as his dead cap hit after 2024 is nonexistent 

 

This is not even remotely correct. Miller is not his last year. Due to his contract guarantees and structure the Bills have to keep him through next year, 2024. Most of his salary that season is guaranteed anyway. They can release him before the 2025 season, but he will have a large dead cap hit of $15.4M. I expect that they will designate him a 6/1 cut to kick some of that into 2025. 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/von-miller-7717/

Edited August 24, 2023 by BarleyNY

[Matt_In_NH]

10 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

That would actually lose us cap space due to guaranteed money (Ford, $1.5M), dead cap (Basham $362k) and the replacement salaries of players taking their roster spots. 

That won’t work. It is already maxed out in that way. 

This is exactly my point of making the thread....the Bills have some knobs to turn but not as many as years past and ones you may not want to turn.