O’Cyrus Torrence Dominating (video breakdown)

[BigAl2526]

Shorter demonstrated the ability to be an effective short passing target.  His reputation in college was as a deep ball receiver, so this could be an indication he has some versatility.  

[Franco_92]

14 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

Yes.   But his grabbing is super obvious.

 

In the video, he was praised repeatedly for doing this.

 

I gotta think that there is a technique for doing this without it being Holding.  Or, at least, it not being flagged for holding.

 

And if it is a good thing, that he is coached to do, he sure seems to be doing it well.  Especially where they point out that it helps him have time to correct a mistake during the early portion of his rep.

This is standard technique

[LeGOATski]

15 minutes ago, maddenboy said:

Yes.   But his grabbing is super obvious.

 

In the video, he was praised repeatedly for doing this.

 

I gotta think that there is a technique for doing this without it being Holding.  Or, at least, it not being flagged for holding.

 

And if it is a good thing, that he is coached to do, he sure seems to be doing it well.  Especially where they point out that it helps him have time to correct a mistake during the early portion of his rep.

It's all about where you grab. Has to be inside the shoulders, as far as I know

[RiotAct]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Odd to single out that play considering he actually made the block on it.

he’s just… resting.

[sven233]

They always do a great job over at Cover 1 with these video breakdowns.  It definitely reinforced what I saw on the initial watch and the re-watch I did.  He wasn't perfect, but it was pretty close to it.

 

While this video was about Torrance and the outstanding job he did, I couldn't help but turn my attention to Kincaid as he was in the shots many times.  First off, the kid's going to be a star.  His route running with his releases and cuts out of his breaks were so fluid.  There isn't a LB in the league that is going to cover him 1 on 1 consistently.  He's that good already.  We have been waiting for our own version of Kelce and, while he may not be on that level yet, I definitely can see him getting there at some point.  He is going to be a match-up nightmare for years to come.

 

When I watched his tape leading up to the draft, I immediately made the Kelce comparison, but it just sounds crazy to say that.  But watching the way he runs routes......he's open more often than not and just creates so much separation that you can't help but wonder if he will be the next great one.  He wasn't great at blocking on the few snaps I watched him in this breakdown, but I'll say this.....he's a willing blocker.  He wants to do it and tries to do his best.  Unfortunately, he is just not strong enough right now to even be average.  He got wrecked on a block attempt in this breakdown.  So, I don't think you will see him do it often.  They will pick their spots in the run game in 12 personnel, but they are not going to force it on him.  Just let him run.

 

Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent, but I couldn't help but notice him during this breakdown in the few plays he was on the screen.  There wasn't a lot to like in yesterday's game, but these 2 rookies were not part of the problem.  They were excellent.

[gobills404]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

0:50 into the video you can see Spencer Brown get absolutely obliterated by a linebacker. 

 

But yes, Torrence played well. I am excited about him. He is the first piece in rebuilding this o-line. We will need a new Center, RT and LT in the next year or two.

 

You mean the LB that didn’t lay a finger on the RB? That’s called mission accomplished. Try again.

 

Edit: Lol there’s multiple plays by Brown in the video worse than that one you could’ve picked. You LITERALLY couldn’t even last 60 seconds without saying something negative.

Edited August 21, 2023 by gobills404

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, maddenboy said:

Yes.   But his grabbing is super obvious.

 

In the video, he was praised repeatedly for doing this.

 

I gotta think that there is a technique for doing this without it being Holding.  Or, at least, it not being flagged for holding.

 

And if it is a good thing, that he is coached to do, he sure seems to be doing it well.  Especially where they point out that it helps him have time to correct a mistake during the early portion of his rep.

 

Grabbing the outside of the lower chest pad with your elbows in will totally fly. That's proper technique.

 

It's when the hands go to the outside of the upper shoulder pads, and/or you get your elbows up/out and arms extended that they'll get you.

 

[Dr.Sack]

7 hours ago, wppete said:

We got ourselves a stud! 🤞🏻 

 

 

When a 1st round pick falls to 59 you draft him. 

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Grabbing the outside of the lower chest pad with your elbows in will totally fly. That's proper technique.

 

It's when the hands go to the outside of the upper shoulder pads, and/or you get your elbows up/out and arms extended that they'll get you.

 

yea, the thing I'm concerned about is that his first instinct seems to be to go straight for the outside of the should pad, but I'll choose to believe it'll get sorted out if it ever leads to an issue. He looks comfortable enough in what he's doing that I don't think he needs it.

[DrDawkinstein]

19 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

yea, the thing I'm concerned about is that his first instinct seems to be to go straight for the outside of the should pad, but I'll choose to believe it'll get sorted out if it ever leads to an issue. He looks comfortable enough in what he's doing that I don't think he needs it.

 

That wasnt bad. He gets off that quick, and often gets under the shoulder pads to get good control. They wont call any of that. Especially a OG on DT. They can get away with all that pretty easily.

 

Kid looks solid.  👍

[CSBill]

10 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

If you watch the video, forget about Torrence, and watch McGovern and Edwards.   They're just as good.   Really solid interior line blocking, with Morse or Bates at center.  

 

Speaking of Edwards, hasn't he played OT? Maybe time to consider him at RT ?????

[CNYfan]

11 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

If you watch the video, forget about Torrence, and watch McGovern and Edwards.   They're just as good.   Really solid interior line blocking, with Morse or Bates at center.  

Lat Murray was excellent in protection as well.  

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

 

Speaking of Edwards, hasn't he played OT? Maybe time to consider him at RT ?????

 

He did in college (played RT) and in pre-season as a rookie. Has been only a guard since. I did wonder whether the Bills would consider it at all, but I've heard zero reports from camp so I'm inclined to believe they have no desire to do that. 

27 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

Lat Murray was excellent in protection as well.  

 

Always has been one of the best pass pro backs in football. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Good details in the video with communication with Brown and helping with Watt on the spin move.  I find the video frustrating to watch/ listen to because he is overly verbose and the constant and unnecessary playback/paus/long pauses.  

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Good details in the video with communication with Brown and helping with Watt on the spin move.  I find the video frustrating to watch/ listen to because he is overly verbose and the constant and unnecessary playback/paus/long pauses.  

 

Haha, welcome to Eric Turner. 

[MJS]

9 hours ago, maddenboy said:

Yes.   But his grabbing is super obvious.

 

In the video, he was praised repeatedly for doing this.

 

I gotta think that there is a technique for doing this without it being Holding.  Or, at least, it not being flagged for holding.

 

And if it is a good thing, that he is coached to do, he sure seems to be doing it well.  Especially where they point out that it helps him have time to correct a mistake during the early portion of his rep.

Olinemen grab on every single play. You just have to know when to let go to not get called for holding.

[HappyDays]

Nevermind, time to scale back the Torrence hype.

 

PFF gave him a 40.0 out of 100 pass blocking grade. Worse than every Bills offensive lineman other than Ike Boettger. This matches up with what we all saw, right?

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Good details in the video with communication with Brown and helping with Watt on the spin move.  I find the video frustrating to watch/ listen to because he is overly verbose and the constant and unnecessary playback/paus/long pauses.  

I have the same reaction, but I think it's good film-watching technique.   I think that's how a lot of the pros watch film, because that's how you catch all the detail in what's going on.  He is a bit repetitive, but reps are what it's all about.   

 

For example, he needs the reps to point out the hand communication between Torrence and Brown.  I never knew that's what they do, but it's critical to handling the rush.  Each lineman needs to be looking at his man, but also needs to know where his teammate is so that they can hand off rushers and move on to the next guy.  While that's going on, there's also footwork that is critical, as well as balance, and use of the hands.  

 

Turner likes showing off all the jargon he's learned, but jargon is what's used in any profession.  

 

So, yeah, it's a little repetitive, but it's by far the best detailed film study available to Bills fans anywhere.  

[warrior9]

15 hours ago, Einstein said:

0:50 into the video you can see Spencer Brown get absolutely obliterated by a linebacker. 

 

But yes, Torrence played well. I am excited about him. He is the first piece in rebuilding this o-line. We will need a new Center, RT and LT in the next year or two.

 

LOL He didn't get "blown up" he quite literally made the block .. you can also quite literally see the running back in this screenshot running by the guy he blocked. You have some vendetta against this guy based on your posts and he was not bad at ALL in this game, let alone a play where he sprung our RB for a 8-10 yard gain. 

[Don Otreply]

Just now, warrior9 said:

LOL He didn't get "blown up" he quite literally made the block .. you can also quite literally see the running back in this screenshot running by the guy he blocked. You have some vendetta against this guy based on your posts and he was not bad at ALL in this game, let alone a play where he sprung our RB for a 8-10 yard gain. 

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