LabattBlue Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) If you had the opportunity to go back in time, do you use the massive cap hit of Von Miller on the OL instead? I have always been of the belief that you need to do everything you can to protect your franchise QB, and if that means the defense takes a hit because of it, then so be it. I’ll take my chances hoping a better OL means Allen can outscore anyone versus trying to make the pass rush better. Edited August 20, 2023 by LabattBlue 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I made this point a year ago and was bashed for it. Oh how the turntables turn. Another one that I have regretted since the signing: We gave Oliver, a decidedly mediocre player, $68M. For $3.8M more per year (over 5 years), we could have signed a very good Tackle in Mike McGlinchey. Sigh. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Oline all day! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) Oline. Just out score everyone. Get a 1B wr to pair with Diggs. Above average Oline, 1B wr, and Kincaid means Super Bowl. It’s exactly why I wanted to sign Hopkins. Edited August 20, 2023 by Araiza Curse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokebball Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) As it's turned out, definitely O line. However, we saw what a healthy Von Miller could mean to our defense. It's hard to be critical of the decision at the time. Edited August 20, 2023 by Pokebball 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Einstein said: I made this point a year ago and was bashed for it. Oh how the turntables turn. Another one that I have regretted since the signing: We gave Oliver, a decidedly mediocre player, $68M. For $3.8M more per year (over 5 years), we could have signed a very good Tackle in Mike McGlinchey. Sigh. getting Miller and the tackle both would be ideal. Keeping Oliver is a head scratcher. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I’m signing Von over pretty much everyone. Not even thinking twice. They could’ve upgrade the OGs last year and signed Von. Even if they drafted one like they did Torrence this year. Drafting an OT to compete with Brown would’ve been smart also. I do think the OL is upgraded though and it will show. We can’t really take anything from that Steelers game. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I think Von was the right move still at that time. The bigger issue imo would be why they can never seem to develop the talent they bring in (other than cornerbacks) starting O line should not be a free agent need nor should pass rush given the players drafted over the years, but they can’t develop the talent they’ve drafted and the free agents haven’t exactly crushed it. I’m not as doom and gloom as most though, as the team sits right now I’m still positive about the season and hoping to see some of these guys progress. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I think Von was the right move still at that time. The bigger issue imo would be why they can never seem to develop the talent they bring in (other than cornerbacks) starting O line should not be a free agent need nor should pass rush given the players drafted over the years, but they can’t develop the talent they’ve drafted and the free agents haven’t exactly crushed it. I’m not as doom and gloom as most though, as the team sits right now I’m still positive about the season and hoping to see some of these guys progress. Not a whole lot to develop. Dawkins developed well as a 2nd rounder. Cody ford was a bust. Brown is trying to fix inconsistencies, we’ll see. Torrence too early. Thats about it for quality draft picks used on OL. Brown isn’t a complete disaster. At times he looks the part and other times he gets walked. Edited August 20, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Von is not the problem. Elite talent is what this team needs more of. Going 5 deep at DT with all vets. Oliver. Knox. Poyer. Morse. Money going to aging /average players. Consistently throwing 2nd and 3rd round picks in the trash can. That's what is hurting us. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I think about the game against the Chiefs last year and how it would’ve went if we didn’t have Von. The Bills lose that game. He’s a HoF pass rusher still playing at a very high level (or at least was), so I voted Von. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Einstein said: I made this point a year ago and was bashed for it. Oh how the turntables turn. Another one that I have regretted since the signing: We gave Oliver, a decidedly mediocre player, $68M. For $3.8M more per year (over 5 years), we could have signed a very good Tackle in Mike McGlinchey. Sigh. Oliver is a better player than McGlinchey. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 A guy like Miller can change the outcome of any game. One HOF lineman really can't. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I’ll take von. He’s a true difference maker and wins games. See KC last year. I’ll take an OT over Ed the question is, which OT? I wouldn’t want Orlando or Jawaan at their price tags. Same for McGlinchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: I think about the game against the Chiefs last year and how it would’ve went if we didn’t have Von. The Bills lose that game. He’s a HoF pass rusher still playing at a very high level (or at least was), so I voted Von. 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Lots of bad takes in here. Per usual 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: I’ll take von. He’s a true difference maker and wins games. See KC last year. I’ll take an OT over Ed the question is, which OT? I wouldn’t want Orlando or Jawaan at their price tags. Same for McGlinchy. Ed was still going to make big money this year playing his 5th year option, which above average OT could we have signed for little to no cap space this off-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I wasn’t a fan of the von overpay. To me at this point the defense looks like this… 1) old, slow and expensive. 27, 23, 21, 40, 56 2) Underachieving, the string of high picks we are still waiting to see live up to their expectations. 91, 24, 55, 57, 43, 42 and 3) we are left hoping some journeymen and late pick overachievers can hold everything together 58, 30, 7, 47, 53, 92, 97, 99 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Ah, revisionist history after one bad preseason game, fun. Ok, let’s go back in time. At the beginning of last season, did you feel comfortable having AJ Epenesa as your starting Defensive End across from Groot with Boogie and Shaq as backups? Sure you did…. and I’m sure everyone also thought signing an expensive Right Tackle and sending our 3rd round pick, who showed upside in his rookie year, right to the bench. Who needs a half of fame DE when you can have Epenesa as your starter coming off 2.5 sacks his first two years? Beane made the right move, it just didn’t work out because Brown didn’t take a step and Von got hurt. Don’t play this stupid revisionist history game. 3 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Not a fan of hindsight stuff like this, when we were trying to sign von we were not a OT away from the SB, we were a game impacting pass rusher away from a SB. It's really easy to look back after vons injury and think O line would have been better move. But if von stayed healthy we probably aren't having this conversation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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