Well that was an absolute crap fest - PostGame thread

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

41-15 at home to the Colts in 2021?

 

Thank you.

 

and NOW, I remember everything from that game.

 

what a mess that one was.

 

 

[UKBillFan]

13 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I wish more would admit when he plays below the standard we’d like to see, but it’s always everyone else’s fault. Dorsey, the OL, his WRs, Britt, Hailey, etc. Josh still makes mistakes that leave you scratching your head. With that said, he’s also the best QB we’ve had maybe ever, but I feel like he could still take his game to another level. Physically he’s the most gifted QB in the league, but his awareness and knowledge of where to go with the ball just aren’t always there.
 

This morning I read on YouTube that Josh was the best QB in the league if only he could get some protection. Aside from glaring performances like the one Saffold had against the Bengals, I suspect you’d think we had a top pass blocking OL if Josh had the processing ability of a Tom Brady. He said he’s completely dialed in on football and even McD said he noticed a change coming into camp. We’ll see if that was just lip service shortly when the real bullets start flying.

 

 

I said that in the game thread and got criticism for it, but think you're right.

[jahnyc]

At least we have players that can start at OT.   Not sure if Dodson, Bernard or Klein are even quality back-ups at MLB.

[Beast]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

No, it’s not.

Yeah, it is.

[UKBillFan]

4 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

Thank you.

 

and NOW, I remember everything from that game.

 

what a mess that one was.

 

 

 

We've had at least one blowout a year under McDermott.

 

2017: 47-10 v the Saints/54-24 at the Chargers/23-3 v the Patriots

2018: 47-3 at the Ravens/22-0 at the Packers/37-5 at the Colts/26-5 v the Patriots/41-9 v the Bears

2019: 31-13 v the Eagles

2020: 42-16 at the Titans

2021: 41-15 v the Colts

2022: 27-10 v the Bengals (arguable whether this was a 'blowout' but it was a horrific performance)

[TheFunPolice]

Look on the bright side... Sal Capaccio will be working overtime tomorrow to make it sound like it was a great game, so driving to work will be entertaining. 

 

My takeaway is it's preseason. Nobody really cares about these games except the fringe players trying to win a roster spot. 

 

All these games are is 3 more chances for guys to get hurt. 

 

 

[Jerome007]

If, and that's an if, Barkley cuts down on the INTs, he could manage a game fairly well. The Bills are so talented it could work for a game or two. But for how stacked the Bills are, JA17 is still THE key to win it all, for sure.

Edited August 20, 2023 by Jerome007

[Mikie2times]

23 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

I wish more would admit when he plays below the standard we’d like to see, but it’s always everyone else’s fault. Dorsey, the OL, his WRs, Britt, Hailey, etc. Josh still makes mistakes that leave you scratching your head. With that said, he’s also the best QB we’ve had maybe ever, but I feel like he could still take his game to another level. Physically he’s the most gifted QB in the league, but his awareness and knowledge of where to go with the ball just aren’t always there.
 

This morning I read on YouTube that Josh was the best QB in the league if only he could get some protection. Aside from glaring performances like the one Saffold had against the Bengals, I suspect you’d think we had a top pass blocking OL if Josh had the processing ability of a Tom Brady. He said he’s completely dialed in on football and even McD said he noticed a change coming into camp. We’ll see if that was just lip service shortly when the real bullets start flying.

I agree with all of this. Without Josh we are nowhere. So I think from that perspective you can't really find fault in anything he does. As you said, he is either the best we have ever had or in a debate for that title.

 

Having said this, the bar is elevated to a Super Bowl. So as I watch Josh, I watch Josh in the context of a Super Bowl winning QB. In doing so you have the obvious Favre like, what the hell just happened moments. But those don't concern me as much as top of drop, pat, pat, run. That's a QB not seeing as clear as you would like. Which then makes me wonder, did he ever see the field as clear as it appeared?

 

His arm is so good, he can see a guy open and still rip it in. Almost nobody can do that. He made such a massive amount of plays the last few years in scrambling. Which he doesn't get anymore. Teams are not sending uncontrolled rushes at him. Which allowed the red sea to part in front of him giving him the scramble whenever he couldn't make a read. They also aren't letting him get outside contain which again, is a path he took when he couldn't make a read. It gave him the whole field in front of him, clear visibility.

 

It is becoming pretty obvious teams are going to make Josh win from the pocket as a normal QB. That is the game plan. It was happening just the same last year. 

[1ManRaid]

10 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Starters against starters, 1s vs 1s, I call the Steelers 2 TDs superior execution. You know exactly what I’m referencing. The same plays you called “flukes.”

 

I'm starting to think you simply don't understand what a fluke is.  Anybody can stumble into "superior execution" for a play or two where they do everything right for once.  Getting it perfect once and then never again doesn't mean they deserve the full credit for doing it right the ONE time.

 

I used to play table tennis on a regular basis and there was this superior player I could never beat, not even close.  Then one day I just happened to put it together and took a single game from him and went right back to losing to him.  There was just a momentary lapse in his focus in a certain aspect of his play I accidentally took advantage of.  It was a fluke despite my temporary "superior execution".

[ColoradoBills]

14 hours ago, billieve420 said:

Barkley just played his way off the team. Kyle hasn’t been great either but he has the better arm and you hope he gets more comfortable as he learns the offense. However, if Allen misses extended time we are done regardless. Would look to develop younger QB on the practice squad versus keeping Barkley around.

 

Agree with everything, especially the bolded.  It's time to bring in a younger guy. 

 

14 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

It's just preseason but I was pretty disappointed that these guys were unprepared.  I don't care about losing.  I don't even care about getting blown out.  It's the mental mistakes and penalties.  Especially from vets.  This should not happen from a team of this caliber and I blame this on coaching.  There are terrible teams that look better than this.

 

The biggest disappointment in the game was the penalties and mental mistakes.  McDermott is the HC and ultimately the buck stops there.

However, as you stated, "especially from vets' brings up the question.  Who really is to blame?  Do these NFL players not know the rules?

Do they have to be reminded not to grab jerseys and not move before the ball is snapped?  How much of this lack of preparation is on McDermott,

and how much is on the position coaches?  

 

The player leadership should first look to themselves and then stress to the rest of the team about some personal responsibility.

If the leadership sees some issues with any of the staff, they also need to bring it to the surface.

 

My second biggest disappointment was the Special Teams.  Once again, McDermott is ultimately responsible but Matt Smiley needs to

get these guys playing together.

 

It's only a preseason game and knowing this is a mature veteran team I won't overreact.  The vets had one chance to knock of the rust and

failed in that attempt.  McDermott (and the entire staff) need to get their $%!) together and insist the players follow suit before the Jets game.

 

I would expect a much more somber week of training and more attention being paid to details and less music and dancing.  That should come

from both McDermott AND the captains.

[MWK]

22 minutes ago, jahnyc said:

At least we have players that can start at OT.   Not sure if Dodson, Bernard or Klein are even quality back-ups at MLB.

 

I don’t think Brown is exactly backup quality either.

[Brand J]

22 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

I'm starting to think you simply don't understand what a fluke is.  Anybody can stumble into "superior execution" for a play or two where they do everything right for once.  Getting it perfect once and then never again doesn't mean they deserve the full credit for doing it right the ONE time.

 

I used to play table tennis on a regular basis and there was this superior player I could never beat, not even close.  Then one day I just happened to put it together and took a single game from him and went right back to losing to him.  There was just a momentary lapse in his focus in a certain aspect of his play I accidentally took advantage of.  It was a fluke despite my temporary "superior execution".

I’m starting to think you don’t understand how sports work. The Steelers starters whipped our starters. Period. Whatever the reason for that, that was the case. Get over it and stop trying to explain it away, McD and the players certainly aren’t.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Losing Shell to retirement and Doyle to injury is just plain bad luck. 

 

Bad luck is what happens when unpreparedness meets adversity.

 

Relying on an old linemen that was fighting for the 3rd string RT position, and Tommy Doyle, who was awful in the little he has played so far, is unpreparedness.

[Nitro]

Sloppy play.  Penalties.   INTs.  This gives the coaches things to work on.  Barkley is not a good back nor is Kyle Allen.  The amateur GMs will come out and say they should have or could have etc.  I trust Beane and his staff.   This team will do well this year.

[DallasBillsFan1]

Why does it seem like the Steelers play at a different speed/intensity?  From what I saw, their D got after Josh ... we didn't seem to get after Pickett as well.

[Jauronimo]

They looked emotionally exhausted again

[Green Lightning]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

GL this was 27-0.

 

 

Well there's that. Point was it could have been even worse. Yesterday's performance was too similar to me.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Mikie2times said:

Any criticism of Josh, even if it's just to say he contributes to an issue, can't be right to those on this forum. It can never be even partly on Josh. Josh is incapable of doing anything wrong. It has to be the WR's not being able to get open. The line not being able to block. The coach not being able to draw up plays. It can't just be Josh hitting the top of his drop, double, triple clutching. Having no idea where to go with the ball. Then taking off. Something we see literally non stop with him mixed in with the rest of the crap play out of our various units.  

Oh please, did you watch the game?  Allen was far from the problem. In fact he threw the ball well and had the Bills moving nicely on the 2nd drive.  Half his pass completions, including the 35 yarder to Davis that got called back, were vintage wow Allen throws.  The only goofy thing Allen did was when he started to run then realized that McD/Dorsey told him not to run. 

 

 

[par73]

I know it is "just preseason," but that game reminded me too much of the Cincinnati game. Hope that's not the trend.

[Mikie2times]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Oh please, did you watch the game?  Allen was far from the problem. In fact he threw the ball well and had the Bills moving nicely on the 2nd drive.  Half his pass completions, including the 35 yarder to Davis that got called back, were vintage wow Allen throws.  The only goofy thing Allen did was when he started to run then realized that McD/Dorsey told him not to run. 

 

 

Yup.....watched the whole game

 

How many throws did he make on time at the top of his drop?

 

The 35 yard throw to Gabe, he was on his 2nd or third clutch. Saw it and ripped it. I don't need proof if he sees a guy open, that he can deliver it. I need proof that he doesn't see a guy, he see's a coverage, he can get the ball out on time and in rhythm.