Isabella shows moves, will he make the roster?

[BuffaloBill]

 

 

Have the Bills found a steal?  This segment says emphatically “yes.”  

 

To me what is interesting is even Josh noticed the play.

[GunnerBill]

I gave him like 0.1% chance when he arrived. 

 

I dunno I am leaning now towards he could make it. He is going to be the last cut at receiver I reckon but it could easily flip the other side of the line.

[freddyjj]

Remember this is against a  backup LB.  Harty will be the top candidate to run these patterns so Isabella, IF he makes 53, would be a backup in the slot.  

[twist_to_open]

I was waiting for this guy to get his own thread. Seems he's been talked about the most of any player not playing MLB or RG. I'm no expert, but intrigued and hopes he makes it.

[HOUSE]

The Giants will love him.

Another early Christmas gift from Brandon Beane.

[BuffaloBillyG]

McDermott said this week he'd have some opportunities against the Steelers tonight. If he makes the most of them (which includes showing a bit better at KR than last week) he has a shot IMO.

 

I think the Bills would love to not have to use Harty returning kickoffs and let him focus on WR. I think at very worst case scenario for Isabella is he makes the PS and sees a few call ups if Harty misses any time. I do believe at some point he sees the field.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Get rid of the fullback and keep an extra WR

[Chaos]

12 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Get rid of the fullback and keep an extra WR

Murray, Harris, and Josh seem to minimize any need for a fullback

 

[GunnerBill]

Gilliam is a full back but not in a conventional sense and the Bills use him a lot to get teams into big personnel. Add that to the fact you need a full back for when you want to run power in short yardage and goalline. And the fact Gilliam is an excellent STer and can play as a blocking tight end. 

 

He 100% will and should be on this roster

[Chaos]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Gilliam is a full back but not in a conventional sense and the Bills use him a lot to get teams into big personnel. Add that to the fact you need a full back for when you want to run power in short yardage and goalline. And the fact Gilliam is an excellent STer and can play as a blocking tight end. 

 

He 100% will and should be on this roster

Come playoff time, WR Depth far more important than Gilliam.  Not even really arguable.   There is no chance in a short yardage situation in the playoffs, the ball is going into Gilliams hands. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Gilliam is a full back but not in a conventional sense and the Bills use him a lot to get teams into big personnel. Add that to the fact you need a full back for when you want to run power in short yardage and goalline. And the fact Gilliam is an excellent STer and can play as a blocking tight end. 

 

He 100% will and should be on this roster

He will be on the roster but he should absolutely not be on the roster.  I would much rather carry three TE's or an extra OL than a FB.  

He is overpaid and a relic of times gone by. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

The Giants will love him.

Another early Christmas gift from Brandon Beane.

What more could Daboll want than another sub 5’10 slot receiver only?

[Simon Says]

14 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

He will be on the roster but he should absolutely not be on the roster.  I would much rather carry three TE's or an extra OL than a FB.  

He is overpaid and a relic of times gone by. 

Pretty sure they WILL keep 3 tight ight ends; Knox, Kincaid and Morris. 

[PBF81]

25 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

He will be on the roster but he should absolutely not be on the roster.  I would much rather carry three TE's or an extra OL than a FB.  

He is overpaid and a relic of times gone by. 

 

$2M this season for a player that saw an average of 12 snaps/game, never carried the ball, and had 8 receptions.  That diminished as the season wore on, averaging 9 in his last 9 games.  In the playoffs he was on the field for 11 snaps in both games and never had a target or a carry.

 

That's an expensive role-playing blocker.  

 

I wouldn't bet a nickel that he makes it thru Cuts.  I can see him being released and possibly brought back for less, but $2M for what he brings seems like poor management.  

 

I'd also like to watch the plays he did play too see what he had to do.  For a blocker every six plays that never runs the ball and gets one target every other game, I'd like to think that they could come up with another option that doesn't cost $2M.  

 

Just my two cents.  

 

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by PBF81

[Coach Tuesday]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I gave him like 0.1% chance when he arrived. 

 

I dunno I am leaning now towards he could make it. He is going to be the last cut at receiver I reckon but it could easily flip the other side of the line.

Same here.  What seems to distinguish him from prior WR preseason heroes is his work ethic - by all accounts he’s working his tail off and is “all ball,” he sounds like a Matt Milano ascetic type and McBeane LOVES those.  He has a real shot if he flashes tonight. 

[Chaos]

14 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

Pretty sure they WILL keep 3 tight ight ends; Knox, Kincaid and Morris. 

Last December the Bills signed Cole Beasley off the street, and they also signed John Brown.  In the NFL, you need WRs to win down the stretch and win in playoffs.   If the Bills have seven WR's who could contribute in the playoffs, they should keep them all.   If Knox or Kincaid go down, in the playoffs, they will run 1 TE sets, they are not going to plug Morris into either of their spots for any meaningful number of playoff stats.  If Harty, Sherfield, Davis or Diggs go down, the Bills will have to trot someone out play.  

All roster decsions should be based on who do I want in the playoffs, given typical injury situations (other teams have injuries too, I think the Bills were the only playoff teams signing old recievers off the street in Dec of 2022 last year.  I hope the Bills don't put themselves in that position again.  

Ever year is different, but in the playoffs last year would you rather the Bills have had Isiah Hodgkins, Reggie Gilliam, or Quinton Morris on the roster? 

Edited August 19, 2023 by Chaos

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

$2M this season for a player that saw an average of 12 snaps/game, never carried the ball, and had 8 receptions.  That diminished as the season wow on, averaging 9 in his last 9 games.  In the playoffs he was on the field for 11 snaps in both games and never had a target or a carry.

 

That's an expensive role-playing blocker blocker.  

 

I wouldn't bet a nickel that he makes it thru Cuts.  I can see him being released and possibly brought back for less, but $2M for what he brings seems like poor management.  

 

I'd also like to watch the plays he did play too see what he had to do.  For a blocker every six plays that never runs the ball and gets one target every other game, I'd like to think that they could come up with another option that doesn't cost $2M.  

 

Just my two cents.  

 

 

It's incredibly poor cap management. He is a vet minimum guy at best if you want him on the team. 

Last year they had Sweeney who was useless and didn't dress most of the year. 

This year if they keep Morris they will have three TEs that dress on game day. No room for a FB in that scenario. Much better to dress an extra OL, WR, or DB. A backup guard can play full back in the goal line situation.  Kincaid can line up there which he can then be an actual threat in the pass game with or without motion.

There was a time and a place for a great fullback. That time is gone and Gilliam is not great at anything. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I gave him like 0.1% chance when he arrived. 

 

I dunno I am leaning now towards he could make it. He is going to be the last cut at receiver I reckon but it could easily flip the other side of the line.

 

38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Gilliam is a full back but not in a conventional sense and the Bills use him a lot to get teams into big personnel. Add that to the fact you need a full back for when you want to run power in short yardage and goalline. And the fact Gilliam is an excellent STer and can play as a blocking tight end. 

 

He 100% will and should be on this roster

 

I'm confused, you're 100% confident he'll make the cut at the $2M he's slated to get?  

 

 

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

A backup guard can play full back in the goal line situation.  Kincaid can line up there which he can then be an actual threat in the pass game

I think the Eagles pretty clearly established how you run goaline plays under the current NFL rules.  It does not involve a fullback. 

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Come playoff time, WR Depth far more important than Gilliam.  Not even really arguable.   There is no chance in a short yardage situation in the playoffs, the ball is going into Gilliams hands. 

 

Nobody is arguing you give him the ball but you need a full back in those big personnel situations.