The Ringer ranking of Receiver Cores - Opinions???

[Simon Says]

2 hours ago, BuffaninSarasota said:

CORPS:

a body of people engaged in a particular activity.

"the press corps"   ..... or WIDE RECEIVERS, IN THIS CASE

 

CORE:

"the central or most important part of something"

The illiterates thank you.. 

4 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

That would be a hell of a block of Kincaid was blocking DEs while split out in the slot...except if he was in tight.

I'm wondering if we are OVER estimating Kincaid contributions while UNDER estimating Knox.

[Logic]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

are you denying that KC has consistently done a better job surrounding Mahomes w offensive talent?

Wide Receivers? Yes. I am denying that.

Mahomes has had a Hall of Fame tight end and Hall of Fame head coach calling plays throughout his career and -- as of last season -- a better offensive line. I have acknowledged these facts previously. Those are the things that Mahomes has had over Allen. But receiver? I'm not buying it.

Outside of Tyreek Hill, the rest of the KC receivers have always been a cast of replacement level players, just like Buffalo has had.


 

Edited August 18, 2023 by Logic

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

are you denying that KC has consistently done a better job surrounding Mahomes w offensive talent?

 

KC's WR's have not been consistently better.  TE for sure.  RB's probably a push if not favoring the Bills slightly in terms of actual production.  KC's uses the RBs in the passing game more than the Bills do.  What they do have is a more QB friendly scheme there that gives Mahomes a lot of easy answers all the time.

[Airseven]

Bills ranking seems about right. They're average. Diggs is still a top 10 WR, but Davis and Knox were disappointing last season. Kincaid will have growing pains as a rookie TE. The rest of the WRs are rather unremarkable.

 

3 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

Just curious; do people know the difference between 'corps" and 'core"? Usually when I see one of these terms used,  I think they mean the other or just don't know what the words mean.

 

Even with a top player like Diggs as the core of the group, the Bills WR corps remains average overall.

[Andrew Son]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

KC's WR's have not been consistently better.  TE for sure.  RB's probably a push if not favoring the Bills slightly in terms of actual production.  KC's uses the RBs in the passing game more than the Bills do.  What they do have is a more QB friendly scheme there that gives Mahomes a lot of easy answers all the time.

KC has the best QB in the league.  It's ok to say that.

[Royale with Cheese]

The ranking is about right to me.  But end of season is the true evaluation.

 

[Logic]

Just now, SWATeam said:

KC has the best QB in the league.  It's ok to say that.

I think both things are true.

KC DOES have the best QB in the league.

Mahomes DOES have a lot of easy answers, provided by plays drawn up by a Hall of Fame offensive mind and one of the best to ever do it in the NFL.

While I won't deny for one second that Mahomes is the best QB in the league and may go down as the GOAT, I still think it's valid to wonder what Allen's production would look like if he had Andy Reid calling his plays.

[Einstein's Dog]

14 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Like others said, I don't have a problem with the ranking, but it should list Knox instead of Shakir.  I think we are somewhere in that 12-20 range.  This will obviously improve if Davis takes a step up and Kincaid turns out to be a real weapon.  Maybe just wishful thinking, but I feel like there is some real untapped potential with our group.

I think they ranked the Bills correctly, but I have a problem with it.  I would like this to be an area the Bills prioritized into the top 10 range.

 

It's my hope the FO has all along been considering the $10M WR2 upgrade.  This put them in the OBJ + DHop discussions but ultimately got priced out.  It would also mean that an in-season trade is a realistic possibility.

 

If you put Mike Evans or Tyler Lockett into our group there would be a significant move up the ranks.

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, Logic said:

Wide Receivers? Yes. I am denying that.

Mahomes has had a Hall of Fame tight end and Hall of Fame head coach calling plays throughout his career and -- as of last season -- a better offensive line. I have acknowledged these facts previously. Those are the things that Mahomes has had over Allen. But receiver? I'm not buying it.

Outside of Tyreek Hill, the rest of the KC receivers have always been a cast of replacement level players, just like Buffalo has had.


 

so in your opinion Hill=Diggs and JuJu=Davis

 

 

[Andrew Son]

Just now, Logic said:

I think both things are true.

KC DOES have the best QB in the league.

Mahomes DOES have a lot of easy answers, provided by plays drawn up by a Hall of Fame offensive mind and one of the best to ever do it in the NFL.

While I won't deny for one second that Mahomes is the best QB in the league and may go down as the GOAT, I still think it's valid to wonder what Allen's production would look like if he had Andy Reid calling his plays.

I have reservations on whether Josh would take those easy answers consistently.  He gets into trouble trying to make everything the home run.  That is the next step I want to see, just take what is there.  I don't care if I never see another hurdle or whatever, just run the offense on-time more often.

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

so in your opinion Hill=Diggs and JuJu=Davis

 

 

In my opinion, Diggs is a legitimate, high quality, top 10 WR1 in the NFL. A playmaker and a matchup dictator and a superstar, just like Tyreek Hill.

In my opinion, beyond having a star WR1, both Mahomes and Allen have mostly had a cast of JAGs at WR.

I do not believe that Mahomes has had better wide receiver corps throughout his career than Josh Allen. I'm not sure how else to state it.

[Success]

I truly don't care.  I love who we have at WR.

 

Did people miss the Patriots dynasty? (sorry to bring it up)  When did they ever go all in on some kind of elite WR corps for Brady?  One time I can think of, over 15+ years - when they got Moss. And they notably didn't win a SB with him.

 

When you have a top QB, you build the line. That's what the Bills are doing. Brady had a great line, and made stars out of middlin' guys (would we have even heard of Edelman if he played for another team?)  Give Allen some time in the pocket, and guys like Sherfield & Harty are going to have great seasons.  

 

And I think we're getting the Davis we expected last year, this year.

 

[Andrew Son]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

I truly don't care.  I love who we have at WR.

 

Did people miss the Patriots dynasty? (sorry to bring it up)  When did they ever go all in on some kind of elite WR corps for Brady?  One time I can think of, over 15+ years - when they got Moss. And they notably didn't win a SB with him.

 

When you have a top QB, you build the line. That's what the Bills are doing. Brady had a great line, and made stars out of middlin' guys (would we have even heard of Edelman if he played for another team?)  Give Allen some time in the pocket, and guys like Sherfield & Harty are going to have great seasons.  

 

And I think we're getting the Davis we expected last year, this year.

 

Sometimes Brady didn't even have a great line, but he got rid of it so quick it didn't matter.

 

Bottom line is that when you pay an elite franchise QB such a large % of your cap, he needs to elevate the lesser players around him.

Edited August 18, 2023 by SWATeam

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

In my opinion, Diggs is a legitimate, high quality, top 10 WR1 in the NFL. A playmaker and a matchup dictator and a superstar, just like Tyreek Hill.

In my opinion, beyond having a star WR1, both Mahomes and Allen have mostly had a cast of JAGs at WR.

I do not believe that Mahomes has had better wide receiver corps throughout his career than Josh Allen. I'm not sure how else to state it.

Yeah and people are giving you the counter opinion, that's what this place is for 

2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Sometimes Brady didn't even have a great line, but he got rid of it so quick it didn't matter.

 

Bottom line is that when you pay an elite franchise QB such a large % of your cap, he needs to elevate the lessor players around him.

Who are these lesser players that mahomes and Brady elevate but Allen doesn't

[Andrew Son]

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

 

Who are these lesser players that mahomes and Brady elevate but Allen doesn't

Are you arguing that the Pats SB teams were loaded at the skill positions?

[Billsfan1972]

16 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I think they ranked the Bills correctly, but I have a problem with it.  I would like this to be an area the Bills prioritized into the top 10 range.

 

It's my hope the FO has all along been considering the $10M WR2 upgrade.  This put them in the OBJ + DHop discussions but ultimately got priced out.  It would also mean that an in-season trade is a realistic possibility.

 

If you put Mike Evans or Tyler Lockett into our group there would be a significant move up the ranks.

Winner winner chicken dinner...... 

 

Why are the Dolphins, Bengals (with Burrow an MVP candidate), Chargers, Cowboys & Eagles so much higher than the Bills?

 

The Bills should be investing in their most important asset, which is Allen and be better wrt their receiving corps.

 

That is my concern.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

Are you arguing that the Pats SB teams were loaded at the skill positions?

*and mahomes

[Success]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Winner winner chicken dinner...... 

 

Why are the Dolphins, Bengals (with Burrow an MVP candidate), Chargers, Cowboys & Eagles so much higher than the Bills?

 

The Bills should be investing in their most important asset, which is Allen and be better wrt their receiving corps.

 

That is my concern.

 

That's what the Colts did w/ Manning, practically every year. They got 1 SB out of it.

 

The Pats didn't - and got 6.

 

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

Come to think of it, I’ve never heard Josh talk about Knox in the way he describes Kincaid: “fun to throw to/good body language/etc,” but the addition of Kincaid does sound like Knox has upped his game (or maybe he’s the forgotten man?). This is the first camp I’ve heard Knox being mentioned almost daily in a positive write up.

Knox has potential, to quote Bill Parcells , “potential means you haven’t done *****”.  I want Knox to be Kelce, he’s got the tools, but whether it’s truly bad hands or lack of focus, he’s just not reliable as a receiver.   He’s a badass once he has the ball in his hands, but that’s pretty rare.  I think what we saw in college was more of an indication of his receiving skills than we wanted to admit.  Yes, he makes some AWESOME plays, but he’s just as likely to drop a routine ball.   I genuinely thought after his rookie year, he was going to make the jump to an elite type of guy, he’s basically a solid starter, more of an old school type of TE.  Not a bad thing, but not a genuine difference maker.

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, BillsfaninChicago said:

Over the past two seasons he has over 1100 yards receiving and 15 touchdowns. Not All Pro level numbers but pretty good considering the personal tragedy he was dealing with.
 

Not saying it would make a huge difference but he does factor into a receiver analysis especially with some potential coverage relief in Kincaid. 

He’s just an average guy out there.  Let’s be honest and not frame it for more than it is.  He has great tools, the end result has been average.   Last year he was 14th in TE receiving yards, the difference between 14 and 30 is 110 yards.  The difference to number 1 is 800 yards 😂.  Even #2 is 400 more yards.   He’s not somebody you even give a second thought to, any starter in the NFL is expected to have about the same numbers.