The Ringer ranking of Receiver Cores - Opinions???

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

While still not week one and really have little to say until the season starts, thought this may spur some discussion.

 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/8/17/23834765/rankings-the-nfl-best-past-catcher-receiving-group-2023

 

Interesting how low the Bills and Chiefs are on this list, which really then shows how highly they think of Mahomes & Allen.

 

Conversely Cincy, Dallas, SF, Chargers, Vikings, Eagles near the top. 

 

I have no comments outside I too give most of the credit to Allen for the Bills performance on offense, but let's hear the experts here debate it. 

 

Take Kelce off the Chiefs' list and IMO they're bottom three if not DFL.  

 

They're lucky to be ranked where they are.  IMO KC's going back to being a midling top-10 offense at best this season, where they were the three years prior to last year.  If Kelce were to get injured, they're pretty much screwed without a trade of some sort.  

 

 

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said:

Come to think of it, I’ve never heard Josh talk about Knox in the way he describes Kincaid: “fun to throw to/good body language/etc,” but the addition of Kincaid does sound like Knox has upped his game (or maybe he’s the forgotten man?). This is the first camp I’ve heard Knox being mentioned almost daily in a positive write up.

That's more because of what Josh is being asked, everyone is asking him about the fancy new toy and how he fits into the offense, everybody is already used to Knox.

[Jukester]

Stats and rankings have completely gotten out of hand. How/why they are measuring receiver abdominal strength is beyond me. 😉

[Einstein's Dog]

5 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That's what the Colts did w/ Manning, practically every year. They got 1 SB out of it.

 

The Pats didn't - and got 6.

 

Brady is not the same as Josh.  You don't construct your offense the same way.  

 

Josh is not easy to bring down, is elusive, and is one of the best ever throwing 20-25 yard downfield lasers.  The best way to maximize that skill set is to give him another top quality WR.  Upgrading the WR2 position would make this the most lethal offense in the league.

[Success]

5 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Brady is not the same as Josh.  You don't construct your offense the same way.  

 

Josh is not easy to bring down, is elusive, and is one of the best ever throwing 20-25 yard downfield lasers.  The best way to maximize that skill set is to give him another top quality WR.  Upgrading the WR2 position would make this the most lethal offense in the league.

 

I've gotta disagree.

 

We've spent years now watching JA run for his life & dazzle w/ his moves to elude the rush - but that's not a good thing.  Imagine if he had a second or 2 more back there, where he could be more calm & survey the field before having to make a move?

 

Time in the pocket is everything.  And we hear it all of the time from ex players & coaches - you build the trenches. The trenches are where championships are won.

 

[Logic]

36 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah and people are giving you the counter opinion, that's what this place is for 

 

I don't really understand what your purpose was in engaging me on this matter.

You specifically asked for my opinion. I gave it. Now you're explaining to me how message boards work.

Color me confused.

[PrimeTime101]

5 hours ago, HOUSE said:

I posted 26 times in the DeAndre Hopkins thread but did anyone listen......no

maybe we can get @Simon to crack her open for ya and make it 27 times

[BigAl2526]

Buffalo has potential in the receiver group but little star power beyond Diggs. Even Davis has come up a bit short possibly due to his injury last year.  Having Josh Allen certainly elevates a receiver group, much the way Mahomes does in KC.  I wouldn't be surprised to see the ranking climb a bit next year.

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

That's what the Colts did w/ Manning, practically every year. They got 1 SB out of it.

 

The Pats didn't - and got 6.

 

Is it so big an ask to want one more good receiver?  Oh I forgot it's all on Allen.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

While I have little respect for anything the Ringer says about the NFL, I’ll concur that their ranking is fairly accurate at this point, in spite of their errors. 

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I don't really understand what your purpose was in engaging me on this matter.

You specifically asked for my opinion. I gave it. Now you're explaining to me how message boards work.

Color me confused.

Then maybe apply some of your namesake when you say this

5 hours ago, Logic said:

Funny...that ranking seems to be of the opinion that the Bills have better passing game weaponry than the Chiefs.

All I've heard around here lately is how Patrick Mahomes' receiving corps is sooooo much better than Josh Allen's. Huh.

and then call out people, myself included, who argue the opposite while attempting to use as proof the aforementioned article

[billsfan89]

18 seems fair, an elite WR1 a lower end WR2 and a bunch of spare parts or developing WR's to go along with a borderline top 10 TE and a first round pick at TE. Looking at the list I don't see too many other teams I would rank the Bills ahead of. But I do think the Bills will overachieve this ranking. 

 

I think Kincaid as a big slot WR will have a bigger impact than most think and I think the lesser known WR's like Harty, Sheffield and Shakir will be better. But right now the projection seems decent. 

[Buffalo Ballin]

Eh. It's just opinion like anyone else. Let's just get on the field already.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Is it so big an ask to want one more good receiver?  Oh I forgot it's all on Allen.

 

I mean, we did draft a pass receiving tight end in the first round.

[Nelius]

Lots of disagreement here but that Falcons ranking is truly ridiculous. 10th but their list reads like it’s bottom 3. Drake London was hardly the elite #1 they’re apparently making him out to be. This seems like it’s easily the dumbest ranking.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Lots of disagreement here but that Falcons ranking is truly ridiculous. 10th but their list reads like it’s bottom 3. Drake London was hardly the elite #1 they’re apparently making him out to be. This seems like it’s easily the dumbest ranking.

How about Bucs 

[Billsfan1972]

21 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I mean, we did draft a pass receiving tight end in the first round.

And that brought their ranking up to 18????  

[FilthyBeast]

I think this is why about where they should be, if anything because of the simple fact that after Diggs there are still tons of question marks.

 

Yes Gabe Davis have flashed potential, but apparently he needs to be 100% healthy to truly be effective and injuries have been an issue (or excuse) with him his entire career.

 

The rest of the WR depth chart is just a bunch of guys and obviously Beane is hoping to get lucky with at least one of Harty, Isabella, Shakir, etc.

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I think the Bills are ranked about right. Although Knox is a bigger weapon than Shakir as is Harty. So not sure totally on their method... but somewhere around halfway feels right. 

 

A top 5 #1 

A lower end #2

A borderline top 10 TE and a rookie Big Slot / TE

Sherfield who is a versatile, reliable backup. 

Cook who needs to show more as a pass catcher.

 

Not bad. But nowhere near elite.

Yes I agree. After Diggs, there is a substantial drop off. Sorry Gabe, no pun intended. Kincaid is a rookie who should help in the slot but will have growing pains. Davis has to prove himself worthy in this contract year. After that we'll need someone to rise up as that 4th target....Knox?....Sherfield?....who knows?.... but 15-18 is about right. 

[Simon Says]

4 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

 

In the case of the BiIls, it’s wide receiver corpse. 

Easy,now. But 😊 thanks!