Our starting OTs and their depth is concerning. Hopefully a trade is looming.

[Process]

20 years in the league for JP?? My god does time fly. 

[Kirby Jackson]

I agree with @Tipster19 that OT depth is a major concern. I’m not sure how to solve it. The Beachum thought has always been appealing. He isn’t great but would make me feel much better. 

[LLCoolCy]

This should get this thread rolling... 

 

 

[BarleyNY]

  On 8/18/2023 at 3:09 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Hudson has been starting at RT for Conklin.

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That is incorrect. I'm not sure where you are getting that information. Jones started all three preseason games at RT. He started opposite Hudson against the Eagles, but he also started opposite the regular LT, Wills, against the Commanders. With Conklin out he even started against the Eagles with the first team OL in the practices. Also he's listed as the backup to Conklin at RT on the Browns depth chart.

[HOUSE]

I am sure this will happen, Brandon Beane has a long history of swinging trades to bolster the offensive line

Let me look up the facts and I will get back to you in 5 or 6 years

[TheBrownBear]

  On 8/18/2023 at 3:53 PM, LLCoolCy said:

This should get this thread rolling... 

 

 

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Not saying we should sign him, but anyone know how he graded out with the Bears and Cowgirls the past couple years?  Is he worth signing as a one year swing tackle insurance policy?

[frostbitmic]

Apparently the two guys who make the decisions and see Spencer Brown daily don't share your concern OP.

 

Brown is the clear starter in their minds and Quessenberry is his backup. IIRC Quessenberry played both Tackle spots at some point last year and I thought I even saw him at RG if memory is correct. He may not be a pro bowler but what backup is ? ... He seems to do his job.

 

I'd like to see more Van De Mark and Gouraige this week since Shell decided to retire.

[Kirby Jackson]

  On 8/18/2023 at 4:03 PM, TheBrownBear said:

Not saying we should sign him, but anyone know how he graded out with the Bears and Cowgirls the past couple years?  Is he worth signing as a one year swing tackle insurance policy?

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Ask yourself this, “who do I have more confidence in Ryan Van Demark, David Queesenberry or an old Jason Peters?”  If the answer is Peters, you should sign him. It is for me.

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[JohnBonhamRocks]

  On 8/18/2023 at 4:03 PM, TheBrownBear said:

Not saying we should sign him, but anyone know how he graded out with the Bears and Cowgirls the past couple years?  Is he worth signing as a one year swing tackle insurance policy?

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See my post upthread: 1 sack on 250+ snaps I think it was and a 70+ PFF grade for DAL in 2022.

[jletha]

  On 8/18/2023 at 4:08 PM, JohnBonhamRocks said:

See my post upthread: 1 sack on 250+ snaps I think it was and a 70+ PFF grade for DAL in 2022.

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Great as a depth guy that could supplant Brown

[BillsGuyInMalta]

Come on home, Jason.

 

Just to put this into perspective, he was part of the same draft class as JP Losman.

[Simon Says]

  On 8/18/2023 at 1:05 PM, NewEra said:

They could probably get me.  I’m sure my wife would trade me for Shaq.  He’s got $

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Lucky girl!

[SoTier]

  On 8/18/2023 at 4:44 PM, BillsGuyInMalta said:

Come on home, Jason.

 

Just to put this into perspective, he was part of the same draft class as JP Losman.

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Given that Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon refused to renegotiate his very unfair contract after he was named to the Pro Bowl and 2nd Team All Pro twice, I'm not sure how Peters feels about the Bills.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

  On 8/18/2023 at 5:48 PM, SoTier said:

 

Given that Ralph Wilson and Russ Brandon refused to renegotiate his very unfair contract after he was named to the Pro Bowl and 2nd Team All Pro twice, I'm not sure how Peters feels about the Bills.  

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Well... One of those guys is no longer with us, and the other guy runs the XFL.  

[AuntieEm]

  On 8/18/2023 at 10:17 AM, MJS said:

It's pretty rare to have good starters at every single position. I don't think it is the case for any team in the NFL, including the Chiefs, Bengals, and any other good team out there.

 

And there will always be one or two positions of concern for the Bills, no matter what. That is just how it is in the NFL. There will be strengths and weaknesses for every team.

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It would probably be impossible to have a team full of stars at every position actually play well as a team.  Think Bickering Bills squared.  The egos would cause massive issues and I don't think it would work out well even though it should create a unbeatable team to have the best at every position.

[Saxum]

  On 8/18/2023 at 4:57 AM, Tipster19 said:

Between Brown’s play and his health history, he’s who immediately worry about but Dawkins don’t make me warm and fuzzy either. I’ll admit that past those two I really don’t know what’s or what we got concerning this position. I’m seeing some articles about Cleveland having a surplus of OTs and some are rumoring that OT James Hudson III may become available. The little I read about him he seems to be an intriguing prospect. Any suggestions regarding this state of affairs is welcomed, maybe some of you know who would be a good addition for us, I think that we might need some help here.

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Suggestion: discuss in threads already discussing this.

[SoTier]

  On 8/18/2023 at 5:54 PM, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Well... One of those guys is no longer with us, and the other guy runs the XFL.  

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I think Peters would be a great insurance policy at OT but some people hold grudges long after the parties they think did them wrong are totally out of the picture.

[ColoradoBills]

  On 8/18/2023 at 1:36 PM, Don Otreply said:

Oh my, even more “concern” what ever shall we do…, 

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[billsfan89]

OT is probably the most difficult position outside of QB to get via trade or another in-season acquisition. You are either going to have to pay an insane amount for a decent OT or go dumpster diving for options that aren't likely better than Tommy Doyle or Queese. James Hudson III would make for a great addition to the roster and I would pay a good price for him (likely a third-rounder) but why would the Browns trade him even for a solid return? He has 2 years left on his rookie deal and he is their swing tackle on the roster (he effectively backs up both tackle positions including their often injured RT) and likely will step into a starting role next season. 

 

I just don't see where else the Bills could look for a legit swing tackle, likely going to be "stuck" with what they have which honestly while concerning isn't tragic. Dawkins is a good LT and Brown I have faith that he will round out to be a decent RT like he was his rookie season. Queese isn't the worst backup option in case of injury to Brown and Doyle has actually impressed me. The other younger options are also there as developmental pieces and even Bates can come in and play RT in a pinch. 

[billsfan89]

  On 8/18/2023 at 6:12 PM, SoTier said:

 

I think Peters would be a great insurance policy at OT but some people hold grudges long after the parties they think did them wrong are totally out of the picture.

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The Bills organization has turned over multiple times since 2007/8 and Peters strikes me as a complete mercenary who if the money is right will play with anyone. So if McBeane thinks Peters is better than Doyle or Queese and has the cash to outlay then I think it will happen. The question is more so does McBeane want Peters and if so for how much? 

 

Personally, I don't think kicking the tires on Peters as a reserve tackle is all that bad of an idea. Peters is ancient by NFL standards but he graded out decently with Chicago in 2021 and was decent for the Cowboys in a fairly light amount of snaps in 2022 (only played 235 snaps allowing one sack) I can't see how signing him to the PS to start the season would be a bad idea IF you don't like what you have on the roster depth wise.