Patrick Queen: Would you trade a late rounder for him?

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

It seems like very few of these undersized 1st round linebackers taken in the last few years have panned out. 

 

Devin Lloyd, Isaiah Simmons, Devin White, and Devin Bush were all drafted in the 1st and have been big disappontments. 

 

Maybe the pendulum will swing the other direction and we'll go back to having huge linebackers like Levon Kirkland

[Zag20]

1 hour ago, Allen2Diggs said:

It seems like very few of these undersized 1st round linebackers taken in the last few years have panned out. 

 

Devin Lloyd, Isaiah Simmons, Devin White, and Devin Bush were all drafted in the 1st and have been big disappontments. 

 

Maybe the pendulum will swing the other direction and we'll go back to having huge linebackers like Levon Kirkland

So a dude named Devin is the formula?

[Zag20]

This is the guy that Josh carried into the end zone in that cartoon I saw right?

[The Wiz]

Based on the Madden '24 release trailer, he's not very good.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Rico said:

I would support Beane looking for a veteran MLB if he feels he needs one, but seeing Queen here in Baltimore, I don’t really want him. Very mediocre, un-Ravensy.

I expected more out of him there. The Roquan move was telling 

[Mr. WEO]

Tasker today was opining that the MLB has gone the way of the RB, given the way Offenses are managed these days.  He's said that's why Beane basically said "good luck" to Edmunds.

[Warriorspikes51]

I still think AJ Klein is under appreciated.

 

the guy has his limitations. But he hits like a hammer and is a vicious blitzing player when given the chance

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

All of your posts are the same.  Sorry. 
 

If McB thought this, then this.

 

This thread isn’t asking if McB would make the trade.  It’s asking us if we would make the trade.

 

mcdermott is CLEARLY concerned.  He has said as much today.  It’s possible that they weren’t very concerned prior to the start of camp….. and now that one guy is hurt and another guy is swinging helmets, that his stance has changed and he’s more concerned now.  It’s a fluid game and process

 

Damn. I'm sorry my posts are "all the same".

 

I just never see the point in discussing player acquisitions or actions from mine or others point of view that don't line up with how Beane and McDermott historically operate over going into the 7th season of their regime.

 

Bernard has started working out on the sidelines. If he's not ready for Week 1, they'll probably PUP him and keep an extra LB. But McDermott is as conservative of a coach when it comes to playing time for players who haven't had time with the playbook or an offseason building with the team. He barely let a RB (the easiest position to transition) see the field after we made a midseason trade for him.

 

I see no way he's interested in rolling with a Mike LB'er who has to make playcalls for the Defense this late in the game. And I don't see Beane giving up Draft Picks and cap space on top of it right now. Like I said, if they were that concerned, it would have happened already.

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, ngbills said:

Started every game since day 1. Last year he had 117 tackles / 9 tfl, 2 int and 6 pd, 1 FF, 2 FR, 5 sacks, 14 qb hits, 83.1 qbr against, 7% missed tackle. The numbers stack up pretty well.

 

I would take him for a 3rd and 4th. 

 

Because they bough Roquan in and moved Queen to the WILL. We are not talking about trading for him to play WILL. As an MLB he has struggled. 

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I just never see the point in discussing player acquisitions or actions from mine or others point of view

 

This is literally the main purpose of the forum...

[John from Riverside]

The real question is he any better than what we have right now?

 

If not, press on

[BillsFanForever19]

16 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

This is literally the main purpose of the forum...

 

Is it? I had no idea the "main purpose" of TSW was to play Fantasy Madden GM. Thanks for the heads up.

 

Personally, I come here to discuss news, analyze games and players, and roster building in a realistic fashion. But maybe you're right. Maybe it is more about creating 200+ page threads about things that will never happen and everybody getting riled up when they don't.

 

I'm sorry that basing my opinions on player acquisitions is more about whether I see it as something that Beane or McDermott would do and less about what I would do or want. 

Edited August 18, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[GunnerBill]

6 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

It seems like very few of these undersized 1st round linebackers taken in the last few years have panned out. 

 

Devin Lloyd, Isaiah Simmons, Devin White, and Devin Bush were all drafted in the 1st and have been big disappontments. 

 

 

Devin White? I mean he hasn't been as good the last couple of years but he was pretty good as a rookie and was a second team all pro his 2nd season. 

 

Devin Lloyd isn't undersized. Although he has been a disappointment. He is a guy a think I think would be a great reclamation project for the Bills.

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Damn. I'm sorry my posts are "all the same".

 

I just never see the point in discussing player acquisitions or actions from mine or others point of view that don't line up with how Beane and McDermott historically operate over going into the 7th season of their regime.

 

Bernard has started working out on the sidelines. If he's not ready for Week 1, they'll probably PUP him and keep an extra LB. But McDermott is as conservative of a coach when it comes to playing time for players who haven't had time with the playbook or an offseason building with the team. He barely let a RB (the easiest position to transition) see the field after we made a midseason trade for him.

 

I see no way he's interested in rolling with a Mike LB'er who has to make playcalls for the Defense this late in the game. And I don't see Beane giving up Draft Picks and cap space on top of it right now. Like I said, if they were that concerned, it would have happened already.

First off, my apologies.  I was a bit harsh.  I agree with a lot of why you say a lot of the time.  Seems like 90% of the time it’s in defense of whatever McB deemed to be correct.  
 

Yes, they thought going with what they had was the right move.  They must’ve believed in one or more of them prior to camp. Camp is now almost over. We’re less than a month away from the season and the HC/DC is concerned about the position.   As we all should be.  Dobson is swinging helmets and suffering in coverage.  Bernard is a coy wire clone physically while also being injured.  Spector 🤷🏻‍♂️.  One of those guys might be on the field for several 3rd downs over the course of the year and you can bet they’ll be every opposing OCs primary target.  
 

maybe they aren’t concerned enough. 

 

And that’s what this thread is for.  To see how many of us think they are making a mistake by not addressing it.  

 

They wanted David, but he wanted to stay in TB.  So staying the course with what we have wasn’t the initial.  But once they didn’t get David, the LB talk stopped and I don’t understand why. 

i thought they should’ve paid Dru Tranquill.  He’s now a chief.  He’s getting paid less than what we paid Hines to be a return man.  He’s getting almost the same as what we’re paying each Matakavich and Neal to play ST.  I think they screwed that up royally.
 

I would’ve brought in cunningham and Jack for a workout (at the very least).
 

I’m very happy that they didn’t take a LB in rd 1 or 2. 
 

I’m very concerned that the MLB position will be the talk of every game day thread on 3rd down. 

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I see no way he's interested in rolling with a Mike LB'er who has to make playcalls for the Defense this late in the game. And I don't see Beane giving up Draft Picks and cap space on top of it right now. Like I said, if they were that concerned, it would have happened already.

 

I don't think the first half of your para above gets you to the second half. I agree McDermott is unlikely to be keen to bring someone else in at this stage and try and get them up to speed. But I do think they are seriously concerned. I don't think the competition has gone nearly as well as they were hoping. At this stage I am not sure there is a lot they can do, but I don't think that in any way suggests they are not extremely concerned.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Is it? I had no idea the "main purpose" of TSW was to play Fantasy Madden GM. Thanks for the heads up.

 

Personally, I come here to discuss news, analyze games and players, and roster building in a realistic fashion. But maybe you're right. Maybe it is more about creating 200+ page threads about things that will never happen and everybody getting riled up when they don't.

 

I'm sorry that basing my opinions on player acquisitions is more about whether I see it as something that Beane or McDermott would do and less about what I would do or want. I just don't see the point in that. 

I don’t understand why you think acquiring a LB is something that they wouldn’t do.  It’s absolutely worth discussing.  It’s our biggest and most glaring hole.  If there’s no chance that our FO COULD address it, then there’s a really problem.  Thankfully, that’s not the case.  There is a chance.  Will it happen? If the price is right I think it may.  If the price isn’t right, there’s little chance.  

[BillsFanForever19]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think the first half of your para above gets you to the second half. I agree McDermott is unlikely to be keen to bring someone else in at this stage and try and get them up to speed. But I do think they are seriously concerned. I don't think the competition has gone nearly as well as they were hoping. At this stage I am not sure there is a lot they can do, but I don't think that in any way suggests they are not extremely concerned.

 

I think there may be some concern. I also think it's quite possible McDermott simply wanted to put some fear and humility into Dodson following his outburst.

 

Ultimately, what I was trying to say is that I don't think the team is all that concerned if MLB is a weak spot in the Defense this season.

 

Their actions, or lack thereof, to this point kind of says it all. They could have gotten a better one in Free Agency. They could have Drafted someone in the 2nd. They valued putting those assets elsewhere. 

 

Now at this point, it's kind of too late with the complexity of the position and the conservative fashion in which McDermott brings new players along.

 

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I don’t understand why you think acquiring a LB is something that they wouldn’t do.  It’s absolutely worth discussing.  It’s our biggest and most glaring hole.  If there’s no chance that our FO COULD address it, then there’s a really problem.  Thankfully, that’s not the case.  There is a chance.  Will it happen? If the price is right I think it may.  If the price isn’t right, there’s little chance.  

 

Like I said above, with the complexity of the position in McDermott's Defense and the conservative nature in which he brings new players along - I would be shocked if they made a move like Queen just before the start of the season.

 

There's a "chance" for almost anything to happen. But in how they operate, how late it is, the fact that it would take cap space we don't have, and Draft capital on top of it - I think the likelihood is little to none.

 

They made a point to go into this season and see if they could develop younger players into the role. It would be very unlike them to almost completely avoid addressing the position all offseason and then last second make a panic move and then plug and play that person this late in the game.

 

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

First off, my apologies.  I was a bit harsh.  I agree with a lot of why you say a lot of the time.  Seems like 90% of the time it’s in defense of whatever McB deemed to be correct.  

 

Understandable and I appreciate your saying so. I can see how essentially my playing "devil's advocate" can be annoying.

 

To be clear, it's not so much defense of them. I don't think they're always right. It's just going into Year 7 of this regime, the way in which they operate is pretty clear. So when something is proposed that is uncharacteristic of either Beane and McDermott, I can't help but go to that instead of just going along with a discussion of hope that I see as unlikely.

Edited August 18, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Brand J]

Basham and a 3rd for MLB Devin Lloyd and a 7th. Would the Jags bite?

Edited August 18, 2023 by JayBaller10

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I think there may be some concern. I also think it's quite possible McDermott simply wanted to put some fear and humility into Dodson following his outburst.

 

Ultimately, what I was trying to say is that I don't think the team is all that concerned if MLB is a weak spot in the Defense this season.

 

Their actions, or lack thereof, to this point kind of says it all. They could have gotten a better one in Free Agency. They could have Drafted someone in the 2nd. They valued putting those assets elsewhere. 

 

Now at this point, it's kind of too late with the complexity of the position and the conservative fashion in which McDermott brings new players along.

 

 

Like I said above, with the complexity of the position in McDermott's Defense and the conservative nature in which he brings new players along - I would be shocked if they made a move like Queen just before the start of the season.

 

There's a "chance" for almost anything to happen. But in how they operate, how late it is, the fact that it would take cap space we don't have, and Draft capital on top of it - I think the likelihood is little to none.

 

They made a point to go into this season and see if they could develop younger players into the role. It would be very unlike them to almost completely avoid addressing the position all offseason and then last second make a panic move and then plug and play that person this late in the game.

 

 

Understandable and I appreciate your saying so. I can see how essentially my playing "devil's advocate" can be annoying.

 

To be clear, it's not so much defense of them. I don't think they're always right. It's just going into Year 7 of this regime, the way in which they operate is pretty clear. So when something is proposed that is uncharacteristic of either Beane and McDermott, I can't help but go to that instead of just going along with a discussion of hope that I see as unlikely.

 

I think they would privately admit now that they wish they'd done more in the spring at MLB..

[Buffalo_Stampede]

No. Draft one or sign a cheap vet next year. They made their bed this year. Don’t double the problem by trading assets and spending big cap.

Edited August 18, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede