Bills practice Thurs 8/17 starting with McD interview

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I could just be a Nattering Nabob of Negativity here, but I didn't think Bernard looked like he could tackle a RB with a full head of steam last season, and he looked just the same arriving for OTAs. 

 

So unsure why they thought Bernard would be It at MLB

I saw the same thing.  And I'm sure McDermott saw it too.  He was confident he had enough talent on the roster to cover position, so I have to think he saw more in Bernard than we did. 

[Beck Water]

6 minutes ago, jletha said:

I think were definitely going to see more dime packages this year. I have zero faith Dodson can cover the likes of Kelce or Andrews.

 

I believe that responsibility usually fell to Milano?

[Royale with Cheese]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Him saying he’s concerned about MLB made me upset. Huge failure.

He was very concerned with Stefon Diggs before camp.  Do you think he’s still concerned?

Edited August 17, 2023 by Royale with Cheese

[Shaw66]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

But I have never heard that the safety and LB spots are interchangeable in this defense.

What we heard was that Hyde and Poyer both could play either, and that added to their value in disguising coverages.  We also heard, I think, that to a lesser extent Milano and Edmunds could do it, too.  It's not the positions that are interchangeable.  It's that it's helpful of the players are  interchangeable.  

[Not at the table Karlos]

17 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Mind sharing where you heard that?  Because I have literally never heard that.

 

What I have heard, is that Taron Johnson is able to play the run like a LB,  Milano was able to provide pass coverage like a dime CB, and Edmunds as a LB was good at clogging up passing lanes in the middle of the field - which is one reason the Bills evolved to stay in a 4-2-5 as their base D.

 

I also heard Frazier say that Milano, Edmunds, and Taron Johnson had some interchangeable responsibilities, and that when one of them was out (at the time it was Milano) they had to rework some defensive responsibility

 

Last, I heard that at times last season teams were keying off Taron Johnson to decode the coverage, and that one reason we may have  changed safeties coach was to alter the defensive scheme in that regard (which might mean interchanging some safety and nickle or even LB responsibilities in coverage

 

But I have never heard that the safety and LB spots are interchangeable in this defense.

Was mentioned a lot about Edmunds and Milano and Hyde and Poyer. Like multiple times in camp and during the season since they got here. Mentioned during games by the announcers and sideline people. During radio discussions and on here. 

 

Edit as shaw pointed out it was more the players were interchangeable but the way it was worded the positions were. I think it was Greg Cosell that said the positions were interchangeable on wgr a while back or maybe John Clayton. Chris Brown and Tasker have definitely said it.  However the coaches look for that type of player so they can disguise coverages so they do want them to be interchangeable. 

Edited August 17, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos

[Special K]

5 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

But this is part of the problem with playing the hypothetical game.  You have this completely different idea, but don't actually have a solution.  Now you suggest taking a corner in the second (not in the third), but that obviously costs the Bills Cook, and you just throw out well I'm sure they would have found some guy

 

Bills have had a track record of finding late round corners that can play in the NFL.....Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Benford on the Bills.....Kevon Seymour and Rachad Wildgoose on other NFL teams.

 

I'm sorry I don't have draft boards from two drafts ago available to me right now, but if I did, I'm sure I could name a player or two that would fit the bill for what the Bills look for in a CB.

 

Plus, I never suggested taking a corner in the second....I clearly stated that would cost us Cook.

 

I would take Lloyd as the Bills starting MLB plus a third round CB that McBeane selected over Elam and Bernard ten times out of ten, period.

[Ya Digg?]

3 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

Bills have had a track record of finding late round corners that can play in the NFL.....Dane Jackson, Taron Johnson, Benford on the Bills.....Kevon Seymour and Rachad Wildgoose on other NFL teams.

 

I'm sorry I don't have draft boards from two drafts ago available to me right now, but if I did, I'm sure I could name a player or two that would fit the bill for what the Bills look for in a CB.

 

Plus, I never suggested taking a corner in the second....I clearly stated that would cost us Cook.

 

I would take Lloyd as the Bills starting MLB plus a third round CB that McBeane selected over Elam and Bernard ten times out of ten, period.

You did say they could have taken Woolen in the 2nd round, and both Seymour and Wildgoose are listed as 3rd stringers on their current teams.  The only point I'm trying to make is that the hindsight game is useless.  Not to mention your plan had the Bills first round pick sitting his entire first season with pretty much no chance of playing outside of injury.  So a MLB stuck on the bench, then a 3rd round CB battling a 6th round CB to start opposite a previous 7th round pick - that doesn't sound great to me

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, Ya Digg? said:

You did say they could have taken Woolen in the 2nd round, and both Seymour and Wildgoose are listed as 3rd stringers on their current teams.  The only point I'm trying to make is that the hindsight game is useless.  Not to mention your plan had the Bills first round pick sitting his entire first season with pretty much no chance of playing outside of injury.  So a MLB stuck on the bench, then a 3rd round CB battling a 6th round CB to start opposite a previous 7th round pick - that doesn't sound great to me

LOL, this place would have exploded had we drafted a backup MLB in the first round last year with that glaring need at CB

[FilthyBeast]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

An undrafted and 2 3rd round reaches was the competition.

 

I’m very concerned with the coaches and management.

 

I've beat this drum for several years now as most here know and the way MLB is being handled is a major reason why.

 

I was never a big Edmunds fan and glad this team didn't give him the deal Chicago did, but drafting all these tweaner/midget type of players was highly suspect and relying on fringe NFL player like Dodson is (at least to start the year) is a recipe for disaster.

 

Won't matter how good this Dline is the middle is of the field will be wide open in terms of both passing/running lanes and this schedule is a murderer's row in terms of opposing QB's this year.

 

 

[Special K]

6 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

LOL, this place would have exploded had we drafted a backup MLB in the first round last year with that glaring need at CB

 

I diagree....everybody knew Edmunds was leaving at the end of the year with no plan to replace him...this would have been the plan. Plus, Edmunds and Milano missed time with injury last year, and Lloyd would have gotten playing time filling in for each of them when they were out. 

[BuffaninSarasota]

37 minutes ago, Special K said:

Last year, I wanted the Bills to draft Devin Lloyd instead of Kair Elam with their first round pick for exactly this reason.

 

They could have drafted a CB with their 3rd round pick instead of Bernard, and would have had Lloyd ready to go this year as the strarting MLB after a year of apprenticeship behind Edmunds and Milano.

 

Hindsight is 20/20, but this would have definitely been the better way to go, IMO.

you're correct, hindsight is 20/20

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, Special K said:

 

I diagree....everybody knew Edmunds was leaving at the end of the year with no plan to replace him...this would have been the plan. Plus, Edmunds and Milano missed time with injury last year, and Lloyd would have gotten playing time filling in for each of them when they were out. 

Also, Lloyd didn't exactly light the league on fire with his 48 PFF grade and losing his starting role.

[Special K]

12 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

 So a MLB stuck on the bench, then a 3rd round CB battling a 6th round CB to start opposite a previous 7th round pick - that doesn't sound great to me

 

Were you watching last season?? Elam had a hard time cracking the lineup battling these exact players you are describing. It got so bad that at one point they had to bring in the bloated corpse of Xavier Rhodes for competition.

 

Not to mention the fact that Elam still has no locked down a spot in the starting lineup battling these exact same players you described while having a year plus an offseason to get ready.

 

Agree to disagree, but my scenario still would have been the better option.

3 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Also, Lloyd didn't exactly light the league on fire with his 48 PFF grade and losing his starting role.

 

Well, he would have had a year to develop here, so time will tell if he becomes a better player this year....I think he will.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

37 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Mind sharing where you heard that?  Because I have literally never heard that.

 

What I have heard, is that Taron Johnson is able to play the run like a LB,  Milano was able to provide pass coverage like a dime CB, and Edmunds as a LB was good at clogging up passing lanes in the middle of the field - which is one reason the Bills evolved to stay in a 4-2-5 as their base D.

 

I also heard Frazier say that Milano, Edmunds, and Taron Johnson had some interchangeable responsibilities, and that when one of them was out (at the time it was Milano) they had to rework some defensive responsibility

 

Last, I heard that at times last season teams were keying off Taron Johnson to decode the coverage, and that one reason we may have  changed safeties coach was to alter the defensive scheme in that regard (which might mean interchanging some safety and nickle or even LB responsibilities in coverage

 

But I have never heard that the safety and LB spots are interchangeable in this defense.

I think he means FS/SS are interchangeable, and SLB/MLB/WLB are interchangeable.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

19 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

I've beat this drum for several years now as most here know and the way MLB is being handled is a major reason why.

 

I was never a big Edmunds fan and glad this team didn't give him the deal Chicago did, but drafting all these tweaner/midget type of players was highly suspect and relying on fringe NFL player like Dodson is (at least to start the year) is a recipe for disaster.

 

Won't matter how good this Dline is the middle is of the field will be wide open in terms of both passing/running lanes and this schedule is a murderer's row in terms of opposing QB's this year.

 

 

I apologize to everyone that’s been talking about MLB all offseason. I wasn’t worried because I thought they had a plan. Turns out there was no plan, just hope.

[JerseyBills]

19 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

I diagree....everybody knew Edmunds was leaving at the end of the year with no plan to replace him...this would have been the plan. Plus, Edmunds and Milano missed time with injury last year, and Lloyd would have gotten playing time filling in for each of them when they were out. 

And Dodson filled in and we went 4-0 in those games

[PromoTheRobot]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I apologize to everyone that’s been talking about MLB all offseason. I wasn’t worried because I thought they had a plan. Turns out there was no plan, just hope.

 

Even Achilles had his heel.

[Malazan]

2 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Agree, and the fact that he's publicly acknowledging the obvious is a major concern for a team that still fancies themselves as a division winner/SB contender.

 

Have to believe Beane is going to try and swing a trade for a viable option soon knowing all these DE/DT aren't making the final roster...

 

Is this an even bigger mistake than the one you said where Beasely is healthy and going to dominate? Ya know, despite that he's injured and on the roster bubble

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

And Dodson filled in and we went 4-0 in those games

That's a bad read

 

first off he played in the Vikings game

 

the other ones were the terrible Steelers and Browns

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Special K said:

Last year, I wanted the Bills to draft Devin Lloyd instead of Kair Elam with their first round pick for exactly this reason.

 

They could have drafted a CB with their 3rd round pick instead of Bernard, and would have had Lloyd ready to go this year as the strarting MLB after a year of apprenticeship behind Edmunds and Milano.

 

Hindsight is 20/20, but this would have definitely been the better way to go, IMO.

Lloyd did struggle a lot as a rookie but is having a good camp this year.

 

 I’m not sure I would’ve taken Lloyd anyway looking back, probably OL.