Now Illegal Migrants to Cheektowaga..

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I know you are correct, but how do you combat the imbecilic morons who buy this mantra that scrutiny and management of immigration must be xenophobic. 
 

these people are seriously clueless. Look up thread. 
 

it’s like a 3 year old understanding of the world drives these people. 

 

Whipping out the race card is how they try to shut down discourse, because they don't want to hear dissent from what they've been told to think.  When just a few years ago they were all for secure borders.  But once Trump said "we need to build a wall," suddenly it was "let them all in you racists!"  Honestly I've never seen such a phenomenon.

Edited August 17, 2023 by Doc

[Wacka]

The Best Western  is across the street  from a United Crerebal Palsy facility and just a few doors from a neighborhood park. It id in the middle of a residential neighborhood.

[ALF]

This is strictly a federal expense since they control immigration and don't allow work permits for at least 6 months.

[All_Pro_Bills]

6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I know you are correct, but how do you combat the imbecilic morons who buy this mantra that scrutiny and management of immigration must be xenophobic. 
 

these people are seriously clueless. Look up thread. 
 

it’s like a 3 year old understanding of the world drives these people. 

Liberals have convinced themselves they're morally and intellectually superior to the common folk that suffer from all kinds of undesirable traits and ideas.  It's a fanciful delusion. 

And virtuue signaling is more or less a cost-free endeavor. 

Only when they believe there are some personal consequences from their open border policy will they, and they do, change their views. 

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[John from Riverside]

59 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Liberals have convinced themselves they're morally and intellectually superior to the common folk that suffer from all kinds of undesirable traits and ideas.  It's a fanciful delusion. 

And virtuue signaling is more or less a cost-free endeavor. 

Only when they believe there are some personal consequences from their open border policy will they, and they do, change their views. 

 

I live fairly close to a border

It’s not perfect, but we would not be America if we did not take people in this is after all the great American melting pot

[BillsFanNC]

10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I live fairly close to a border

It’s not perfect, but we would not be America if we did not take people in this is after all the great American melting pot

 

LEGALLY you friggin imbecile.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, BillsFanNC said:

 

LEGALLY you friggin imbecile.

Oh poor baby are you having a rough morning? Let me make you a cup of shut the ***** up.

[BillsFanNC]

31 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Oh poor baby are you having a rough morning? Let me make you a cup of shut the ***** up.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I live fairly close to a border

It’s not perfect, but we would not be America if we did not take people in this is after all the great American melting pot

John, it’s not that it’s “not perfect”, it’s the perpetual victimization of an incalculable number of people on both sides of the border.  The trafficking on one side of the equation, with people/groups/governments making extraordinary amounts of money moving people, not to mention assault, sexual assault, murder to children, women and men.   It’s a predator’s playground. 
 

On this side of the border, it gets better for some.  However, all the elements remain in place for most.  This has been a political talking point for decades (including our current President) and yet here we are, chaos at the border and multiple generations of victims to show for it.  
 

Then, of course, we have the imported crime and the victims that follow.  It’s a problem, John, and one only look at the numbers from the govt to understand that.  We hardly need to import crime, and a sensible immigration policy would go a long way toward knocking that back.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I live fairly close to a border

It’s not perfect, but we would not be America if we did not take people in this is after all the great American melting pot

 Understand your argument.  But resources, both physical and financial,  are not infinite.  And this isn't the beginning of some great economic expsnsion which requires skilled and unskilled workers in excess of the population.  By all accounts we're entering a slowdown.

And if we let into the country every person that could find a better life than their home country that might amount to 6 billion people.

So what's the limit? 5 million, 20 million, 100 million?  Where are they going to live?  Who is going to pay for it? 

Why isn't the priority helping current citizens in need first?  Shelter all the homeless for starters.

Edited August 17, 2023 by All_Pro_Bills

[Tommy Callahan]

Rochester is nuts. crime is out of control.  people are openly demanding the leaders step up crime enforcement.   So they call in the national guard to protect and help with logistics with the "Asylum seekers."

 

Representation.

 

amirite

 

 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

John, it’s not that it’s “not perfect”, it’s the perpetual victimization of an incalculable number of people on both sides of the border.  The trafficking on one side of the equation, with people/groups/governments making extraordinary amounts of money moving people, not to mention assault, sexual assault, murder to children, women and men.   It’s a predator’s playground. 
 

On this side of the border, it gets better for some.  However, all the elements remain in place for most.  This has been a political talking point for decades (including our current President) and yet here we are, chaos at the border and multiple generations of victims to show for it.  
 

Then, of course, we have the imported crime and the victims that follow.  It’s a problem, John, and one only look at the numbers from the govt to understand that.  We hardly need to import crime, and a sensible immigration policy would go a long way toward knocking that back.  

This is pretty well stated in hard to argue with

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Oh poor baby are you having a rough morning? Let me make you a cup of shut the ***** up.

What in the world is wrong with you John? Your posts on this topic are beyond ridiculous. You can’t honestly be promoting completely open borders, can you? (It’s hard to tell when people are being sarcastic on here.)

[Tommy Callahan]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What in the world is wrong with you John? Your posts on this topic are beyond ridiculous. You can’t honestly be promoting completely open borders, can you? (It’s hard to tell when people are being sarcastic on here.)

Murder, rape, human trafficking all happens around the border crossings (actual port of calls). and profiles are saying

the system works fine. 

 

SMH

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by Chris farley

[US Egg]

The Left portray immigrant overrun as if it’s on par with Okies in the 30’s heading to California to live off the fat the land.

 

They vow most simply want to work to earn their keep and it far outweighs the fallout of a few bad apples coming here.

 

They’ll never concede that there is a problem, no matter that crime associated with immigrants is definitely ramping up.

Edited August 17, 2023 by I am the egg man

[Wacka]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I live fairly close to a border

It’s not perfect, but we would not be America if we did not take people in this is after all the great American melting pot

100 miles is not fairly close. Buffalo is on the border.  Canada is 5 miles away. I live about 2 miles from the Best Western. My aunt lived across the street. I know someone who also lives across the street. Any kids there will be sent to the elementary school and HS less than a mile from me. Stick them in the motels/hotels up in Amherst.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

44 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

What in the world is wrong with you John? Your posts on this topic are beyond ridiculous. You can’t honestly be promoting completely open borders, can you? (It’s hard to tell when people are being sarcastic on here.)

I really don’t think he is.  I think his intentions are good, but we seem to have this weird emotional bottleneck on this immigration issue.  By “we”, I mean the populace, not Washington.  I think our political leaders know exactly what they are doing, and benefit tremendously from the chaos. 
 

I think it’s likely that if a group of 12-15 people showed up at John’s door tomorrow, on a regular night with no catastrophic event ongoing, and asked/told  him they were moving in for a while, he would politely decline.  He’d say he couldn’t help, close the door and get back to bingeing on Gilmore Girls or get back to reading the latest issue of Rolling Stone.  
 

If someone in a position of authority was with the group, told him they understood his desire for alone time, but told him he had plenty of room and directed him to let the group in, he would be concerned and decline.  When finally, his options for the night exhausted, sharing his home with a dozen people, he would rightly be concerned with who they were, what the night might look like, and how the heck he was going to get ready for his 5:30am Spin class with everyone needing to use the bathroom. 
 

Again, there’s nothing wrong with feeling that way.  We know, too, that all other things being equal, the local mayor  is not being visited in a similar fashion, asked to house guests for an extended stay any more than the wealthy folks on the Vineyard are inconvenienced for any length of time. 

It’s long past time to solve the problem, and as John said, it won’t be perfect.  How many people have to be victimized before good intentions and enablement are replaced with sensible solutions we can all agree on? 

 

[SoCal Deek]

10 minutes ago, Wacka said:

100 miles is not fairly close. Buffalo is on the border.  Canada is 5 miles away. I live about 2 miles from the Best Western. My aunt lived across the street. I know someone who also lives across the street. Any kids there will be sent to the elementary school and HS less than a mile from me. Stick them in the motels/hotels up in Amherst.

Welcome to the reality that California, Arizona and Texas have been living with for years. While many called what the Texas and Florida governors did a stunt, I applauded it. At some point this problem has to become reality to other parts of the country. Watching as they all scramble to send these people somewhere other than from what they can see out their backyard is fascinating. This is NOT the fault of the American people. This is 100% another stunning failure by our elected class. 

[Doc]

27 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I really don’t think he is.  I think his intentions are good, but we seem to have this weird emotional bottleneck on this immigration issue.  By “we”, I mean the populace, not Washington.  I think our political leaders know exactly what they are doing, and benefit tremendously from the chaos. 
 

I think it’s likely that if a group of 12-15 people showed up at John’s door tomorrow, on a regular night with no catastrophic event ongoing, and asked/told  him they were moving in for a while, he would politely decline.  He’d say he couldn’t help, close the door and get back to bingeing on Gilmore Girls or get back to reading the latest issue of Rolling Stone.  
 

If someone in a position of authority was with the group, told him they understood his desire for alone time, but told him he had plenty of room and directed him to let the group in, he would be concerned and decline.  When finally, his options for the night exhausted, sharing his home with a dozen people, he would rightly be concerned with who they were, what the night might look like, and how the heck he was going to get ready for his 5:30am Spin class with everyone needing to use the bathroom. 
 

Again, there’s nothing wrong with feeling that way.  We know, too, that all other things being equal, the local mayor  is not being visited in a similar fashion, asked to house guests for an extended stay any more than the wealthy folks on the Vineyard are inconvenienced for any length of time. 

It’s long past time to solve the problem, and as John said, it won’t be perfect.  How many people have to be victimized before good intentions and enablement are replaced with sensible solutions we can all agree on? 

 

Certain organizations are conflating opposing illegal immigration with racism for political purposes and disseminating that to their followers.  And since racism is a key talking point for them, it's easier for them to believe it and ignore the surrounding issues beyond just illegals gaining access to the country.

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Certain organizations are conflating opposing illegal immigration with racism for political purposes and disseminating that to their followers.  And since racism is a key talking point for them, it's easier for them to believe it and ignore the surrounding issues beyond just illegals gaining access to the country.

And the useful idiots buy it. What they don’t understand, or choose to ignore, is that this same narrative could apply to every wave of immigrants over the last two centuries….regardless of skin color.