Really excited about the impact Conor McGovern signing that's barely talked about will have on the O

[Patrick Duffy]

9 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Edwards? Has multiple starts

Bates? 

I'm just saying we barely heard a peep about Conor since day 1 which is usually a great sign for an ol cause majority of the time they only get talked about when they get beat

 

Yeah not much for the most part. But they talked about him in the Colts game Saturday noting some good blocks.

[Matt_In_NH]

7 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

They took Boogie Basham 1 pick before Creed obviously they thought taking another high rd DE was more important then taking the future all pro center. 

OK, that is not the same as Teller at all.  They could have would have should have drafted many different guys in hindsight.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

OK, that is not the same as Teller at all.  They could have would have should have drafted many different guys in hindsight.

 

True, they had Teller and traded him away.  But they already drafted a DE in round 1 and needed an IOL.

[The Frankish Reich]

34 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I am hopeful but reserving judgement for real games  The Bills do not have a track record of identifying guards very well.  The paid Feliciano, Saffold and other that ultimately did not work out well.

Yeah, but they also brought in Vlad Ducasse.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yeah, but they also brought in Vlad Ducasse.

I’m impalled

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

True, they had Teller and traded him away.  But they already drafted a DE in round 1 and needed an IOL.

But they didn't need a center.

[Simon Says]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

And if Torrence starts, it means he outplayed Bates and that's an upgrade at that position over last year.  And if Brown is recovered from back surgery, it's an upgrade there as well. 

I think Bates's value is as a jack-of-all-trades and as the primary backup to Morse who might be one concussion away from retirement.. Even if the RG battle is close, I think Torrance gets the job. He has upside and will develop even faster if he plays regularly. Bates has likely peaked but his versatility allows the Bills to dress as few as 7 Olinemen,.

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

And if Torrence starts, it means he outplayed Bates and that's an upgrade at that position over last year.  And if Brown is recovered from back surgery, it's an upgrade there as well. 

Doc, if you listen to Sal, he’s made the point repeatedly that it doesn’t help Bates wallet per year, but he’s important as he can play either G or C.  That makes him valuable for years, and they are going to give Mt. O’Cyrus every opportunity to start.  I believe he will grow into a road grater as a RG.  He’s powerful and strong.

 

This line should be better on the interior.  You can always count on Dion, and I’ll remain hopeful the sophomore slump was really about the lack of off season and back and neck injuries.  His one minute overblown call out he’s injured again and the next day he’s in practice is just overreactions.

 

I’ll say what I’ve said before, if Spencer plays poorly again this year, we bench him and place one of the backups in to get by.  We know what our 2nd rd pick will be next year at Guard.  Now if he ends up competent, we have a solid line.  The weapons improved I hope and we still had the #2 scoring offense.  I’ll agree we fizzled a little last year down the stretch, but we still scored a heck of a lot of points.

[Freddie's Dead]

No boys, there are two n's in Connor...

 

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

27 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I’m impalled

So I guess you saw this over the weekend…

 

I normally hate horror movies, but this one was good.  It was very close to the chapter in Bram Stoker’s Dracula.

 

A great and scary freakin book as a kid.

[wettlaufer]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

McGovern stepped in day 1 because he had literally no one to compete with for the spot.

Letting go of Wyatt Teller wasn't that swift. Hopefully Beane is getting better in this department. It would be such a big help with multi-dimensionality for the offense.

[BarleyNY]

Has there been anything definitive on Torrence taking the starting RG job? I’m just wondering if him getting so many reps is just to get him some experience in case he’s needed this year. If he doesn’t start he would be needed if Bates or Morse got injured.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I understand Teller but what is the relevance of Creed Humphrey?

Creed was there for Beane to draft. Its not revisionist history either. We were all begging for Creed in real time when Bills were on the clock

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Has there been anything definitive on Torrence taking the starting RG job? I’m just wondering if him getting so many reps is just to get him some experience in case he’s needed this year. If he doesn’t start he would be needed if Bates or Morse got injured.  

Nobody knows. 

I say if Torrence is even close to Bates he should start. Get experience.  If he fails they can always turn back to Bates.

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

McGovern stepped in day 1 because he had literally no one to compete with for the spot.

 

This is true.

 

Think about it OP. As you pointed out, the Bills had the worst LG in the NFL last season. The reason we never benched him is because we had literally no one else better.

[Doc]

41 minutes ago, MJS said:

But they didn't need a center.

 

Maybe not need, but replacing a $11.1M/year player with a $1.4M/year player, who is better, would have been, well, better.  And he probably could have played OG for a year.

 

40 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

I think Bates's value is as a jack-of-all-trades and as the primary backup to Morse who might be one concussion away from retirement.. Even if the RG battle is close, I think Torrance gets the job. He has upside and will develop even faster if he plays regularly. Bates has likely peaked but his versatility allows the Bills to dress as few as 7 Olinemen,.

 

I have to think they're grooming him to replace Morse, by the latest next year.  Cutting him/having him retire frees-up $8.5M.

 

3 minutes ago, wettlaufer said:

Letting go of Wyatt Teller wasn't that swift. Hopefully Beane is getting better in this department. It would be such a big help with multi-dimensionality for the offense.

 

It wasn't Beane who made the decision to move him.  He just moved him once the decision was made.

 

Speaking of Humphrey, they're going to have to pay him a ton of money next off-season.

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

McGovern stepped in day 1 because he had literally no one to compete with for the spot.

 

You should have stepped up! What an opportunity! 

 

 

 

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Edited August 17, 2023 by Augie

[billsfan89]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

McGovern stepped in day 1 because he had literally no one to compete with for the spot.

Davis Edwards was a starter on a Super Bowl team. Bated also can play both sides of the line. Ike is even still on the team. So there were options for the Bills if they wanted to get some other looks at LG

[1ManRaid]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

And if Torrence starts, it means he outplayed Bates and that's an upgrade at that position over last year.  And if Brown is recovered from back surgery, it's an upgrade there as well. 

 

Or since the best ability is availability, they value Bates' availability as a top tier backup at several different positions more than they value him being a marginal upgrade at a single position as a starter.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Or since the best ability is availability, they value Bates' availability as a top tier backup at several different positions more than they value him being a marginal upgrade at a single position as a starter.

 

The two aren't mutually exclusive.  As I said in one of the threads talking about the game, Bates could have started at RG if they felt he was the better option and then had him play 2nd team C. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Ya but McGovern got 3 years , usually they'd go with 1 year, so to me that shows they believe in him long term and as I said,  his potential is sky high

 

Definitely ran out of 1 year contracts.  Printer is likely backlogged