Practice Wed 8/16 starting with Dorsey interview

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

He posted 3500 yards and 30 TDs at Umass and was drafted in round 2, ahead of guys like DK Metcalf and Terry McLaurin.

For whatever reason, he just didn't make any noise in Arizona. He had over 200 yards receiving his second season, which represents his career best in the NFL. After that, he seems to have been relegated to return duties only, and then wound up having a cup of coffee with the Ravens.

The question is: was his lack of playing time and productivity in Arizona a result of his being a bad fit for their offense and/or the fact that their offense and QB play mostly stunk in general during his stint? Or is he simply a late bloomer and a better fit in the Bills' offense? Or, of course, option three -- his good camp and preseason play is much ado about nothing, with most of his work being done against 3rd stringers -- is also possible.
 

 

 

It's because both he and Kyler Murray are 5'9" and Kyler couldn't see him...

Edited August 16, 2023 by Doc

[Logic]

29 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Dumpster diving in August for WRs….how unpredictable.😅

Speaking of predictability...

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Don't look now, but Andy Isabella seems to have a very real shot at not only making this roster, but playing real snaps on offense.

Shakir hasn't seized the slot role. Harty seems to have a specialty/gadget/WR4 niche. The staff seems to like Sherfield at outside WR more than the slot.

Meanwhile, Isabella keeps earning praise from coaches and players and climbing the depth chart. He was a 2nd round pick. He's physically talented. He's fast and twitchy. He has roster value as a returner. Still just 26 years old. Might be a perfect fit for what is asked of the slot WR in the E-P offense that the Bills run.

I wouldn't have guessed it, but it just might be happening. Andy Isabella. Who'da thunk it?

 

 

You're probably losing a shorter or shakir if you do pull that trigger.   His return ability likely doesn't factor too much into it with Harty being here.  I'd say he's in competition with shakir more than anyone else, and he doesn't offer any ability to play outside while harty Sherfield and shakir both do.  

[HOUSE]

3 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

Ken Dorsey has a nuance the way he answers press conference questions that bothers me. He starts some of his answers with "Yeah, no....." And sometimes, "No, yeah......" 

 

I know a lot of folks have little quirks with the way they speak, but this just sticks out to me. 

Well yeah, no he doesnt

[JÂy RÛßeÒ]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

I would say Milano is unconvinced

 

 

Josh's elbow looks sore to me.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Should we expect anything different? He gets hurt every year. 

Hurry and Immediately OVER REACT and panic!!

 

Soreness and is day to day.  Oh the horror!

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

Ken Dorsey has a nuance the way he answers press conference questions that bothers me. He starts some of his answers with "Yeah, no....." And sometimes, "No, yeah......" 

 

I know a lot of folks have little quirks with the way they speak, but this just sticks out to me. 

 

 I won't be surprised if he gets better at his press conferences.  Likely is not something he has done much work on and I'm more than ok if he only addresses that after he becomes the latest OC  wonder guiding Allen thru a record setting offensive season with a SB Lombardi as the final touch.

[Doc]

16 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

You're probably losing a shorter or shakir if you do pull that trigger.   His return ability likely doesn't factor too much into it with Harty being here.  I'd say he's in competition with shakir more than anyone else, and he doesn't offer any ability to play outside while harty Sherfield and shakir both do.  

 

Most have said that Shakir only projects inside in the NFL.  And Shorter hasn't done anything to be worried about cutting him and not being able to put him on the Bills' PS.  Meanwhile Isabella's speed (4.31) is eye-opening.

[Beck Water]

54 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Man that's great coverage and look at the reaction by Tre 

 

Little clarification that is from yesterday, Gabe did not practice today

You may know this but because it's today's practice thread seemed worth noting

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Most have said that Shakir only projects inside in the NFL.  And Shorter hasn't done anything to be worried about cutting him and not being able to put him on the Bills' PS.  Meanwhile Isabella's speed (4.31) is eye-opening.

 

Speeds great, but Isabellas got that body catching reputation and thats no bueno when you're 5'9".  Speeds great, but if you aren't a good deep ball tracker or able to make anything contested you aren't going to get a ton of deep opportunity.  Say what you want about bease's size, but he had a pretty decent catch radius and had some serious hands.  If he can show to be a guy who can catch those allen fastballs in the short area he'll stick.  

[AuntieEm]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

Could happen for sure.  
 

that said, I think they’ll keep the 5th rd  investment over him and try and sneak him on the ps.  But if shakir keeps dropping passes, maybe, just maybe.

 

I think Kincaid will take 65% of the slot reps

 

While I do think Kincaid will play alot in the slot it's a nice change up to go from Kincaid to the speed Isabella can bring to the slot.  Think of the possible variations can do if they have both Kincaid and Isabella on the field and they go hurry up not allowing a substitution by defenders and you switch who's in the slot.  I'm thinking we are gonna see more no huddle elements as Josh expands his ability to ŕead ďefenses and having so many weapons to counter whatever the defenses throw at them.  

Edited August 16, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Simon]

7 minutes ago, AuntieEm said:

I'm thinking we are gonna see more no huddle elements....

 

It's certainly possible.

But when you consider the negative impact no-huddle can sometimes have on your own defense, it's also possible that our HC/DC might not be willing to sign off on it. 

I'd guess McD might be more inclined to get the O to the LOS fast to prevent defensive substitutions and then have them take their time with play calls and/or pre-snap reads.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them using sugar huddles to stress defenses both during the week and during games.

[Doc]

10 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Speeds great, but Isabellas got that body catching reputation and thats no bueno when you're 5'9".  Speeds great, but if you aren't a good deep ball tracker or able to make anything contested you aren't going to get a ton of deep opportunity.  Say what you want about bease's size, but he had a pretty decent catch radius and had some serious hands.  If he can show to be a guy who can catch those allen fastballs in the short area he'll stick.  

 

It appears he's catching what Josh is throwing.  If he can keep that up...

[AuntieEm]

22 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

It's certainly possible.

But when you consider the negative impact no-huddle can sometimes have on your own defense, it's also possible that our HC/DC might not be willing to sign off on it. 🤷‍♂️

 

  Oh I don't expect they go exclusively no huddle like the 90s teams because I think Josh is so much more talented as a qb than Kelly ever was. 

 

And I  agree there's the downside to your own defense.  It will be a handy tool to use if the defenses get a bit too aggressive and we use it as a punch in the mouth to get them reeling and back off.   Then Josh can dictate what the Bills do while the defenses he faces are clearing their heads.  

 

Basically have our offense become the bully Rex wanted the Bills defense to be when he was hired.  Except Josh and the offense has enough talent to do some damage.  Ŕex was all talk and players weren't buying his message.

Edited August 16, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Beck Water]

15 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

It's certainly possible.

But when you consider the negative impact no-huddle can sometimes have on your own defense, it's also possible that our HC/DC might not be willing to sign off on it. 

I'd guess McD might be more inclined to get the O to the LOS fast to prevent defensive substitutions and then have them take their time with play calls and/or pre-snap reads.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them using sugar huddles to stress defenses both during the week and during games.

 

I have not heard this term before.  What is a "sugar huddle"?

 

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Right on cue.

 

50 minutes ago, Logic said:

Speaking of predictability...

 

You can pretty much set your watch by him, cantcha?  It's like the Law of Gravity or something

Edited August 16, 2023 by Beck Water

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I have not heard this term before.  What is a "sugar huddle"?

Just a quick huddle closer to the LOS. 

[Goin Breakdown]

23 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Little clarification that is from yesterday, Gabe did not practice today

You may know this but because it's today's practice thread seemed worth noting

I've noticed many videos we get are from the day before. A couple of days I thought I was going crazy because I swore I already read about the plays and then the next day here's the video. 

[Ya Digg?]

45 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

You're probably losing a shorter or shakir if you do pull that trigger.   His return ability likely doesn't factor too much into it with Harty being here.  I'd say he's in competition with shakir more than anyone else, and he doesn't offer any ability to play outside while harty Sherfield and shakir both do.  

What has Shorter shown at this point that A) makes another team want to sign him and B) makes him so indispensable that you don’t want to cut him? There are 4,5,6 rounds picks as well as 2nd and 3rd year guys all over the league that are going to get cut…I don’t think Shorter will be in as high demand as you think 

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

Shakir has more ability to potentially play both inside and out which offers more flex as a depth piece.  He's also under contract for 2 more seasons so there is a cost control.  

 

He's fast, but he has a small catch radius, doesn't have plus hands, and he's just generally small.  He offers a lot of the same attributes as harty, but harty is better as a deep threat and can play outside as well as inside.  

 

Long odds though - with Sherfield, harty, Shakir as slot options, Shorter as a 6th man seems more likely to me as he offers more as a variety piece who can probably play special teams.   With Shell retiring i think he can stick on the PS at least to start the year. 

 

  While I have nothing against  Shakir and think he will develop but hard to know how much.  To date his contributions are not such that you cannot move on if someone is outperforming him.  There's also possibility that Isabella is willing to be placed on PS  with a handshake dealt not sign on another team if any try to sign him away.

Edited August 16, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

I have not heard this term before.  What is a "sugar huddle"?

 

Here is a pretty good description

 

It can really put a lot of pressure on a defense, creating confusion and resultant assignment mistakes and/or penalties.

Show it enough and they'll also be spending extra time during the week trying to prepare for it.

If you can get good at it, it's a vicious little gimmick.