Jonny Manziel documentary on Netflix is great

[Bill from NYC]

5 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

I am so glad you both were able to find the help you needed! It warms my heart to hear that.

 

As someone who just lost a close family member to suicide a few months ago, it is absolutely devastating. I can’t even put it into words besides to say It has destroyed our lives. Even just waking up in the morning, knowing we have to get through another day, feels overwhelming. It honestly feels like nothing will ever be the same. It’s like living in a nightmare. We are all in therapy, trying to recover and deal with the PTSD from the events of that day and finding him (it was gruesome, I’ll leave it at that…). Even some of his friends are in therapy.

 

Suicide is a loss like I’ve never experienced before. Any loss is hard to deal with and I am not trying to compare, but it is just so different than any loss I’ve experienced. The questions you are left with that you will never be able to get answers to drive you insane, as does the guilt/remorse. The anger can be overwhelming at times too.

 

I can confidently say that It is not a solution to any problem. It destroys your life and the lives of everyone you love.

I'm very sorry for your loss, and hope that God provides solace to you and your loved ones in this time of sorrow.

[RobbRiddick]

I just watched it. It's funny and interesting but I never liked Manziel then and the doc didn't do much to change my opinion. Great show though. I'm sure Skip Bayless watched it with both hands wrapped tightly around his manhood

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

It's a terrible epidemic and continues to get worse. Sorry about your brother,  the pain gets better but never goes away

 

Started with China creating synthetic fentanyl , sellingto Mexican cartels and by 2018 the whole U.S was flooded with it instead of heroin. Ofs skyrocketed..

Then around 2020, xylazine,  a horse tranquilizer was mixed in and now the whole u.s is flooded with "tranq dope" as they call it. Ods skyrocketed more.

This stuff makes heroin look like candy... Biggest killer in 18-45 age range is o.ds.. it's unbelievable we haven't taken extreme measures to stop it

 

all fentanyl is synthetic. Mexico, china and India are main producers.  The past 3 administrations as well as congress have tried to apply pressure open these countries but there's not much they can do.  they got China to classify it as a controlled substance (presumably to increase domestic penalties for illegal distribution)....in 2018.

[RobbRiddick]

On 8/12/2023 at 1:54 PM, NoSaint said:

 

 

there was never a sense of “imagine what we could’ve done if I plugged in” and instead always “hell yea we did that” undertones talking about college experiences. 

 

Yeah, I respect Ryan Leaf for the way he's built a new career somewhat and actually seems to have learnt something about the way he was. You feel like he could give a kid in a similar situation a lot of good advice.

 

Manziel on the other hand just seems content to carry on the Johnny Football mystique because maybe that's all he has or knows how to be. Like that friend everyone has who continues playing the same character they played all through their teenage years and 20s, even when they're in their 40s. Those guys always seem like they can't evolve because they won't even exist anymore if they change

[Draconator]

5 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

Thank you. Appreciate it. I didn’t mean for it to sound like I was directing any anger at you or anything like that. I hope it didn’t come off that way.

 

I really sympathize with anyone’s who’s struggled with suicidal thoughts/attempts. Being in such a dark place that suicide seems like the only answer must be a very difficult thing. I never knew until recently that suicide is like the #9 or 10 top cause of death in the US. It makes me so sad thinking about all those people and their families.

I didn't take any anger away from what you said. None at all. 

 

When I was thinking about jumping off the bridge and standing on the deck, I actually felt peace about it. Like it was the right decision. I'm 100% sure as I would be falling towards the ocean, I would immediately regret it and just hope I would live when I hit the water. But leading up to it, it all just made sense to me. It was hearing the words, "Try the psych ER doc one more time", and getting permission to carry out with it if the psych ER doctor didn't come though, that also made sense. I'm hella glad I made the latter decision. 

[mannc]

On 8/11/2023 at 8:12 AM, HansLanda said:

 

Seriously. His whole persona was basically a ruse. How the Browns didn't have all the diligence on him was shocking. 

Agreed.  Guy was an absolute disaster waiting to happen and a lot of people at Texas A&M had to know it…Shows what a bad organization the Browns were.

Edited August 14, 2023 by mannc

[SoMAn]

On 8/11/2023 at 11:12 AM, HansLanda said:

 

Seriously. His whole persona was basically a ruse. How the Browns didn't have all the diligence on him was shocking. 

Their [lack of] diligence was shocking? Hardly. It's a trend. The Browns seem to be having a competition over the past 20 years with the Jets for who can draft the most early 1st round QB busts.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Yup just confirms he’s as big of a d bag as many originally though 

[DJB]

That was a great documentary. 
 

I actually met Manziel once. I was working a CFL game as a paramedic and chatted with him as he got off the team bus. He was humble and nice . 

[BillMafia716ix]

Manziel was larger than life in college. I never really envisioned him being a NFL star so I’m not surprised he crashed and burned. But boy did he have a good time at A&M. Johnny Football will forever be a legend. 

[Neo]

Great documentary.  No one looked good.   No person, no organization.  Watch it.

 

Impressions.   Enablers and profiteers everywhere.  Father that participates, but bemoans no accountability.  Agent that perpetuates the fraud - wonder who’d take a call from him after watching?

 

Best wishes to kid in his second act.

[Sharky7337]

To me it didn't seem that insightful. Was just him talking about partying and messing up. And all the shenanigans to cover that up.

Edited August 14, 2023 by Sharky7337

[damj]

On 8/11/2023 at 10:05 AM, Draconator said:

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

Thanks for sharing your story. So many men struggle with mental health issues (myself included). It's historically been stigmatized and alot of men just suffer in silence. 

 

It takes a stronger man to step up and get the help they need than to suffer in silence 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, Neo said:

Great documentary.  No one looked good.   No person, no organization.  Watch it.

 

Impressions.   Enablers and profiteers everywhere.  Father that participates, but bemoans no accountability.  Agent that perpetuates the fraud - wonder who’d take a call from him after watching?

 

Best wishes to kid in his second act.

 

I agree with everything however, I think this agent does what every agent does or would do for a big client.  

[BillsShredder83]

On 8/12/2023 at 9:44 AM, major said:

I didn’t like his father’s comment. I feel the parents should have taught him how to be a man before going to college. College coaches ain’t got time for that. 

I feel like he somewhat had the right idea, but didnt express it well. i thought it sounded like they did have him disciplined to an extent, sometimes good parents have kids that are just out of control.... what i wouldve liked to hear dad say is 'i wish they held him more accountable, not been enablers' which is somewhat what i think happened.  we've heard how josh gordon was enabled at Baylor, it was the first thing i thought of when johnny said the 4th string qb was peeing for him.

 

you see johnny being responsible for over a quarter billion dollars flowing in, its hard for me to believe they werent running around sweeping things under the rug. between him and freshly joining SEC, my guess is they were doing anything they could to keep the iron from cooling down. just my guess

[BillsShredder83]

18 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

It's a terrible epidemic and continues to get worse. Sorry about your brother,  the pain gets better but never goes away

 

Started with China creating synthetic fentanyl , sellingto Mexican cartels and by 2018 the whole U.S was flooded with it instead of heroin. ODs skyrocketed..

Then around 2020, xylazine,  a horse tranquilizer was mixed in and now the whole u.s is flooded with "tranq dope" as they call it. ODs skyrocketed more.

This stuff makes heroin look like candy... Biggest killer in 18-45 age range is o.ds.. it's unbelievable we haven't taken extreme measures to stop it

Didnt really start here IMO. This was the result of demand. A demand that can be almost entirely pinned to Purdue Pharma and the scumbag Sacklers.  Aside from the lives lost theyre directly responsible for, they single handedly set back an entire generation of progress. A cost we all pay emotionally, and financially in a million different ways. Disgusting humans

[34-78-83]

Mental health issues aside, I just still can't believe how many fans (and gulp, some GMs!) actually thought Johnny was going to be even a decent NFL player. There was never a chance of that. It was abundantly clear. It wasn't just because he didn't study film.

[Matt_In_NH]

18 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

it's unbelievable we haven't taken extreme measures to stop it

I agree with this....but fentanyl is different.  You dont need to grow it.  It so easy to create and you need so little to poison a population.  It really is about stopping it from shipping in but that is not an easy nut to crack.

15 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Didnt really start here IMO. This was the result of demand. A demand that can be almost entirely pinned to Purdue Pharma and the scumbag Sacklers.  Aside from the lives lost theyre directly responsible for, they single handedly set back an entire generation of progress. A cost we all pay emotionally, and financially in a million different ways. Disgusting humans

I agree about that family however, I am not sure fentanyl would not have happened without them.  At this point it is getting into weed and any other drug to get people hooked.

[HOUSE]

This is like watching Nake and afraid. 

[Shortchaz]

1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said:

Mental health issues aside, I just still can't believe how many fans (and gulp, some GMs!) actually thought Johnny was going to be even a decent NFL player. There was never a chance of that. It was abundantly clear. It wasn't just because he didn't study film.

At the time I didn’t think he would be a good NFL fit because I didn’t think his style would translate. After watching the doc I think he’s a superior athlete and if he had Tom Brady’s work ethic he could’ve been a highly successful qb in the NFL.