Is the MLB Competition Over Before It Started?

[oldmanfan]

8 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

What's funnier is you posturing to suggest that I said something that I didn't say or think.  

 

I said the entire football media questioned him.  Take it up with them.   I am merely doing the same as them, pointing out the inconsistencies in his statements.  Take that up with him.  

 

I'm relying on what numerous other NFL scouts, GMs, and others perhaps even more knowledgeable than McD, despite the fact that I realize many here think that there isn't a coach out there that's smarter than McD besides Reid, have said.  Pardon me for doing that.  LOL  

 

Honesly, some of you ... 

 

Can't even have a simple discussion without middle school inuendo.  

 

 

 

And here's what Shaw "clearly said;"  

 

 

Pretty clear.  I'm not sure he needs you to defend his statements.  

 

 

The entire media did not do what you are saying.  If you honestly think you know more about NFL defenses than McD you need to quit smoking what you’re smoking or drinking what you’re drinking.  You and others are under the mistaken impression that NFL teams can have All Pro talent at all positions.  It does not work that way.  If Beane and McD thought they absolutely had to have a replacement for Edmunds that was not on the roster they would have either drafted one round 1 or done so in FA. Instead, they felt they needed to upgrade spots on the offense, so they got a guy to work the middle of the field in Kincaid, and fortified the interior of the O line with McGovern and Torrence.  This is exactly what many were calling for.  How many people bitched about it being an offensive league, and Beane and McD focusing too much on defense?  But as soon as they do this, it’s suddenly abandoning the defense that’s an issue.

 

What’s going on in this message board is there are a handful of folks who are here to do nothing but criticize no matter what the team does.  If that’s what gets some people off, fine.  It seems a bizarre way to get your jollies to me, but if that’s what floats your boat so be it.  But the bottom line is the team has added a lot more pieces to try and improve that they’ve lost this past offseason.  They’ve upgraded both lines, where games are actually won or lost in my opinion.  Rapp is a solid addition in the D backfield.  Hardy and Sheffield upgrade the WR spot.  The only notable loss was Edmunds, the guy so many for years picked out as the guy to rag on constantly.  And to step in they have a guy in Dodson who has been there several years, knows the D, and has earned a shot. They have Klein who is a capable backup. We will see how things work out.  But assuming the sky is falling is just silly.

Edited August 12, 2023 by oldmanfan

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You are arguing with Einstein you know.  He’s infallible...

I forgot more about the game of football than he will ever know

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

With all due respect, pee-wee and high-school coaching is not the same. You have never coached at the NFL level nor are you on the Chiefs staff.

 

You are guessing as to what they would have done.

 

And considering that the Bills fired/allowed Farwell to leave for a lateral position, PLUS their decision to squib kick it in the same situation in the rematch, leads to circumstantial evidence that Bills agree with me - they should have squibbed it.

You just like to argue and I forgot more about football than you know

 

I've been on college staffs... And a regional scout

 

Football is still my job.. not an accountant..  theres a reason why I understand X's and O's like some people know algebra

 

Football has been my life for 30 years

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

You just like to argue and I forgot more about football than you know

 

I've been on college staffs... And a regional scout

 

Football is still my job.. not an accountant

 

Sorry but appeal-to-authority fallacies don’t work with me.

 

There is no proof that the Chiefs would have fell on it. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. 

 

The only evidence we have is:

 

1) When given the opportunity, the Chiefs did NOT fall on it. They ran with it. 

 

2) The Bills fired/let Farwell leave for a lateral position.

 

3) The next opportunity they had, the Bills squib kicked it.

 

All evidence points to my being correct. Despite your incredible acumen as high-school or community college football coach.

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Einstein

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Sorry but appeal-to-authority fallacies don’t work with me.

 

There is no proof that the Chiefs would have fell on it. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. 

 

The only evidence we have is:

 

1) When given the opportunity, the Chiefs did NOT fall on it. They ran with it. 

 

2) The Bills fired/let Farwell leave for a lateral position.

 

3) The next opportunity they had, the Bills squib kicked it.

 

All evidence points to my being correct. Despite your incredible acumen as high-school or community college football coach.

 

PS, statisticians and former NFL players also agree:

 

 

 

 

 

I don't care what those pundits say

 

I know for a fact you could fall on a squib kick at the 30 and no time will come off and the same thing could have happened...that ls a fact it could happen 

 

You could also pooch it high.. and guess what the ball could still run into the end zone and you get it at the 25 with no time off

 

Your handle might be Einstein but you're not a football guru

 

Play that scenario at 100 times... Pat mahomes can still get that field goal if you squib kick it... Just because we squibbed it in week five doesn't mean we would in the playoffs

 

It's the perfect time to try something new since we lost the other way... And guess what they still scored so no difference

 

How about play defense? That's the solution Einstein

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Sorry but appeal-to-authority fallacies don’t work with me.

 

There is no proof that the Chiefs would have fell on it. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. 

 

The only evidence we have is:

 

1) When given the opportunity, the Chiefs did NOT fall on it. They ran with it. 

 

2) The Bills fired/let Farwell leave for a lateral position.

 

3) The next opportunity they had, the Bills squib kicked it.

 

All evidence points to my being correct. Despite your incredible acumen as high-school or community college football coach.

 

PS, statisticians and former NFL players also agree:

 

 

 

 

 

And if they had fallen in it then your experts would have been wrong.  The Bills lost that game because they did not do whatever to stop their receivers from catching the ball with 13 seconds left.  They could have held them, taken a couple 5 yard penalties, and game over.  Instead Kelce did what he wanted. And that’s on Frazier and McD.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't care what those pundits say

 

Do you care what the Chiefs Special Teams coordinator says?

 

Considering, ya know, it’s HIS special teams.

 

Because he said they planned to advance it, likely taking 4 seconds off the clock.

 

 

Quote

I know for a fact you could fall on a squib kick at the 30 in no time will come off and the same thing would have happened..

 

We are not talking about the rule. Of course a team *can* do that. But the Chiefs would not have done that. They would have advanced it. Burning clock.

 

Which is why McDermott squib kicked it the next opportunity he had.

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

The entire media did not do what you are saying.  If you honestly think you know more about NFL defenses than McD you need to quit smoking what you’re smoking or drinking what you’re drinking.  You and others are under the mistaken impression that NFL teams can have All Pro talent at all positions.  It does not work that way.  If Beane and McD thought they absolutely had to have a replacement for Edmunds that was not on the roster they would have either drafted one round 1 or done so in FA. Instead, they felt they needed to upgrade spots on the offense, so they got a guy to work the middle of the field in Kincaid, and fortified the interior of the O line with McGovern and Torrence.  This is exactly what many were calling for.  How many people bitched about it being an offensive league, and Beane and McD focusing too much on defense?  But as soon as they do this, it’s suddenly abandoning the defense that’s an issue.

 

What’s going on in this message board is there are a handful of folks who are here to do nothing but criticize no matter what the team does.  If that’s what gets some people off, fine.  It seems a bizarre way to get your jollies to me, but if that’s what floats your boat so be it.  But the bottom line is the team has added a lot more pieces to try and improve that they’ve lost this past offseason.  They’ve upgraded both lines, where games are actually won or lost in my opinion.  Rapp is a solid addition in the D backfield.  Hardy and Sheffield upgrade the WR spot.  The only notable loss was Edmunds, the guy so many for years picked out as the guy to rag on constantly.  And to step in they have a guy in Dodson who has been there several years, knows the D, and has earned a shot. They have Klein who is a capable backup. We will see how things work out.  But assuming the sky is falling is just silly.

It's funny because his whole schtick is to argue with people

3 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Do you care what the Chiefs Special Teams coordinator says?

 

Considering, ya know, it’s HIS special teams.

 

Because he said they planned to advance it, likely taking 4 seconds off the clock.

 

 

 

We are not talking about the rule. Of course a team *can* do that. But the Chiefs would not have done that. They would have advanced it. Burning clock.

 

Which is why McDermott squib kicked it the next opportunity he had.

You could say anything in hindsight...

 

And squib kicking it wasn't the right answer the second time so you're wrong

 

The right answer is to play defense

 

And he said returned a short squib if they could get it to at least the 40... He wasn't going to return a squib on the 10 yard line

 

Taking a short squib.. burning 4 seconds off the clock won't matter cuz you're on the 40... You can't take a squib on the 10 with 14 seconds left

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

You could say anything in hindsight...

 

You took a mighty hard loss here tonight. A better man admits it and moves on. Sigh.

 

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

And squib kicking it wasn't the right answer the second time so you're wrong

 

McDermott disagrees with you.

 

He’s an NFL coach ya know…

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

You took a mighty hard loss here tonight. A better man admits it and moves on. Sigh.

 

 

McDermott disagrees with you.

 

He’s an NFL coach ya know…

So NFL coaches are infallible? Can't make mistakes?

 

Yeah there's no winners or losers but you could play whatever game you want

 

He said a short squib that they could get to the 40 ... So it wouldn't matter if 4 seconds were burned off if they were on the 40

 

He wasn't taking a squib kick on the 10 yard line.. he was willing to take a SHORT squib.. 25 yard line with 13 seconds... Is the same as the 40 with 9 seconds 

 

You're not guaranteed to knock off four seconds and keep them on the 20 yard line... If they're returning it it's because they're close to midfield

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He said a short squib that they could get to the 40 they would return... So it wouldn't matter if 4 seconds were burned off if they were on the 40

 

He wasn't taking a squib kick on the 10 yard line.. he was willing to take a SHORT squib

 

He said anything less than a squib caught at the 40, they were going to return. So… yeah, they were returning it.

 

The 40 was their goal line.

 

But sure, keep moving the goal posts in an attempt to save what’s left of your dignity after going off about forgetting more than i’ve ever known about football. I let you do it just long enough while holding the Chiefs own ST’s coach card in my pocket. So far we have:

Bills coach disagrees with you. Former NFL players disagree with you. Chiefs coach disagrees with you. But you’ve coached high school football! How dare they? Thanks for the laughs. I’m going to bed. Goodnight

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Einstein

[GunnerBill]

How has a threat about MLB competition descended into yet another re-run of 13 seconds?

 

Yet more proof that some people just can't get past that moment and it will forever colour everything else this regime does for them. 

[oldmanfan]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Do you care what the Chiefs Special Teams coordinator says?

 

Considering, ya know, it’s HIS special teams.

 

Because he said they planned to advance it, likely taking 4 seconds off the clock.

 

 

 

We are not talking about the rule. Of course a team *can* do that. But the Chiefs would not have done that. They would have advanced it. Burning clock.

 

Which is why McDermott squib kicked it the next opportunity he had.

Was that a short squib or not.  Because a short sequin as the KC coach said you take 4 seconds and run it to the 40.  From there one play gets you in FG position.

 

Your problem is you have no understanding of variables.  You want everything black and white in a world of greys.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

How has a threat about MLB competition descended into yet another re-run of 13 seconds?

 

Yet more proof that some people just can't get past that moment and it will forever colour everything else this regime does for them. 

 

Chaos (perhaps inadvertently) started it.

 

Until we win a Super Bowl, I doubt 13 seconds ever goes away.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

He said anything less than a squib caught at the 40, they were going to return. So… yeah, they were returning it.

 

The 40 was their goal line.

 

But sure, keep moving the goal posts in an attempt to save what’s left of your dignity after going off about forgetting more than i’ve ever known about football. I let you do it just long enough while holding the Chiefs own ST’s coach card in my pocket. So far we have:

Bills coach disagrees with you. Former NFL players disagree with you. Chiefs coach disagrees with you. But you’ve coached high school football! How dare they? Thanks for the laughs. I’m going to bed. Goodnight

 

I'm not moving the goal posts

 

kicking it out of the end zone was not a bad call

 

Every single person on this site knows you're here to argue

 

Nothing says squib kicking it would have won us the game. Especially if they took it to the 40 yard line

 

And Yes I will run circles around you in any form of football talk.. I don't care what kind of backward psychology you use

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Was that a short squib or not.  Because a short sequin as the KC coach said you take 4 seconds and run it to the 40.  From there one play gets you in FG position.

 

Your problem is you have no understanding of variables.  You want everything black and white in a world of greys.

His username is Einstein...

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

KC coach said you take 4 seconds and run it to the 40.  From there one play gets you in FG position.

 

The discussion wasn’t where they would run it to or how many plays until field goal range. The discussion was wether they would have immediately downed the ball. The goals posts are swaying strong tonight.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

The discussion wasn’t where they would run it to or how many plays until field goal range. The discussion was wether they would have immediately downed the ball. The goals posts are swaying strong tonight.

No your wrong

 

I said you can get a squib kick and there's no reason to advance that... Because it's disadvantageous.. you can get a squib kick at the 20 yard line... There's no reason to burn clock off then

 

You put up a clip that said the Chiefs coordinator thought they could get to at least the 40 on a squib... That's completely different than taking a squib kick at the 20 with 14 seconds left

 

And if they got to the 40... Even after 4 seconds off the clock that's not a big deal because they're on the 40

 

I said no team will take a squib kick which could be fielded if you need to conserve clock... If you're already on the 40 10 seconds is plenty of time... 10 seconds is not plenty of time if you're on the 23

 

You're the one who threw out the arbitrary number of the 40 yard line with a tweet  which changed our discussion

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[oldmanfan]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

The discussion wasn’t where they would run it to or how many plays until field goal range. The discussion was wether they would have immediately downed the ball. The goals posts are swaying strong tonight.

And that has to do with where the ball was squibbed as the KC coach indicates.  Your ability to grasp variables is stunningly absent.  And it does not change that the D crapped on itself, which is the main reason they lost.

 

And it doesn’t not change the fact that Dodson will be MLB which is what this thread was about until you decided to argue another unrelated point.

Edited August 12, 2023 by oldmanfan

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I said you can get a squib kick at the 20 yard line and there's no reason to advance that... Because it's disadvantageous

 

Your exact words were:

 

“If the bills squib kicked in that playoff game (the Chiefs are) falling on it and stopping the clock without a doubt”

 

No mention of scenarios where they would or wouldn’t have downed it. “without a doubt”, they would have downed it. That’s what you said.

 

But I don’t want my opinion on this to be seen as crusading, so i’m stopping here. Good night!

 

.

Edited August 12, 2023 by Einstein

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

You’re*
 

 

Your exact words were:

 

“If the bills squib kicked in that playoff game (the Chiefs are) falling on it and stopping the clock without a doubt”

 

No mention of scenarios where they would or wouldn’t have downed it. “without a doubt”, they would have downed it. That’s what you said.

 

But I don’t want my opinion on this to be seen as crusading, so i’m stopping here. Good night!

 

You Already said you were done and you are crusading... 

 

Yeah falling on it at the 25 30 and 35 yard line make sense for the Chiefs... I just didn't specify yard lines.. sure if the up man at the 40 caught it he could rumble for a few yards and it wouldn't hurt.. I'm not having someone scoop it at the 20-25 and return it and kill clock

 

I'm falling on it...Because it stops the clock and they have plays and timeouts 

 

That makes sense...  It's not a crazy concept.. 

 

No timeouts ? sure do something crazy... 

 

Two timeouts with Pat mahomes? Yeah I'm trying to keep as much time on the clock

 

Regardless... The only real option is to play defense because the game isn't over... Can you agree to that yes or no?

 

That the defense not special teams let the Buffalo bills down

 

You act as though if they did return the squib that it's a guaranteed bills victory... I don't see that 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716