dickleyjones Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 it's a good song and it's performed well. seems genuine and that goes a long way. the message resonates with most people to be sure. leave it to the media/politik to turn it into right vs left when it's really regular people vs so called elites. that's what they do, it's worked for millennia, big surprise. 1 1
julian Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: For me personally it’s the opposite from the “left”. Actual true liberals (not the Democrat party) have had this message for the longest time. But when we say it, it’s socialism or we’re making excuses for people that aren’t working hard enough to make their situations better and make more money. But when someone who seems to be more like “their own” says it…it’s fighting for the working class. I think both are true. I think there are a lot of people on both or whatever side that don’t want to agree with something unless someone who seems like they’re in their tribe says it, that part we probably agree on. Of course people will always disagree as to how a problem is best solved, government hand outs vs lowered corporate tax blah blah blah. That’s how the political divide should work. These globalist governments have driven the wedge so deep that now there’s a portion of society (the fortunate segment well off enough to ignore rising taxes, fuel and grocery costs) who are willing take to the front lines for their tribe without critical thought or care. Fortunately the mass majority of people (80% ?) in the middle agree on more things than the government or media want you to know, but that 80% are truly becoming aware and that’s a good thing. I have hope. Edited August 16, 2023 by julian 1 1
HomeskillitMoorman Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, julian said: Of course people will always disagree as to how a problem is best solved, government hand outs vs lowered corporate tax blah blah blah. That’s how the political divide should work. These globalist governments have driven the wedge so deep that now there’s a portion of society (the fortunate segment well off enough to ignore rising taxes, fuel and grocery costs) who are willing take to the front lines for their tribe without critical thought or care. Fortunately the mass majority of people (80% ?) in the middle agree on more things than the government or media want you to know, but that 80% are truly becoming aware and that’s a good thing. I have hope. I have hope that people are becoming more aware…I’m not sure I have the same hope that they’ll stop being as tribal to the side they’ve chosen though, if that makes sense. A lot of people, even amongst those 80% of moderates that probably do agree on a lot of things, are too far gone to their “side”. 1
julian Posted August 16, 2023 Posted August 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I have hope that people are becoming more aware…I’m not sure I have the same hope that they’ll stop being as tribal to the side they’ve chosen though, if that makes sense. A lot of people, even amongst those 80% of moderates that probably do agree on a lot of things, are too far gone to their “side”. You very well may be correct and I appreciate the your views. 2
B-Man Posted August 17, 2023 Posted August 17, 2023 RON HART: ‘Rich Men North Of Richmond’ — America’s Cry For Help Against Washington’s Permanent Elite. https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/16/hart-rich-men-north-of-richmond-oliver-anthony-jason-aldean/ 1
Tommy Callahan Posted August 18, 2023 Posted August 18, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said: Its amazing how that works. when people actually listen for themselves, vs just taking some opinion in a rag as their own. 1 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 On 8/16/2023 at 12:43 PM, julian said: This man is calling out government corruption from both parties and ridiculous taxation of the working man and yet there’s so many people on the left feeling the need to discredit him and the lived experience if millions of people. I don’t understand, If you’ve worked hard and have gotten yourself into a position of comfort and don’t experience what millions of others clearly do, then that’s fantastic and I’m happy you’ve been financially successful but why are many unable to empathize with those working class people struggling. It’s bizarre to see so many come to the defense of rich élite politicians. Do you realize you can publicly agree there’s a problem at the top and not be a Trump supporter simultaneously. Tribalism is exactly where they want you, makes no difference to them which team you’re on. Which side promotes higher tax rates for the ultra wealthy? Safety net welfare programs for the poor? Expanding health care to those who don't qualify for medicaid and have no insurance? Limiting dark money and corporate contributions in elections? A higher minimum wage? Sadly, the MAGA's, like this Richmond dude, bite the hand that would feed them... 1
BillsFanNC Posted August 19, 2023 Author Posted August 19, 2023 ⬆️ Clown world example #2,523,974. I give you Quack MD. 2
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said: ⬆️ Clown world example #2,523,974. I give you Quack MD. I suspect you don't give anyone anything. Meanwhile, I won a nice Titleist bag for closest to the pin at a charity tourney yesterday😀 unfortunately, it has a large corporate logo on the ball pouch. My wife is going to sew a Bills Logo over it. Got 2 "Go Bills" shouts from Virginians while wearing my hat. A good day.... Edited August 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 1
Andy1 Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 I’m late to the party on this one. I just heard the song for first time today. Personally, I like the song representing the plight of struggling workers regardless of race or party. Corporate capitalism rules America. One party has preached trickle down economics for years. “America - love it or leave it”, etc. Labor unions have been broken. Pensions are no more, instead workers get 401ks. If jobs can be outsourced to other countries for cheaper cost, they will be. Corporations get bailouts but not regular people. The struggle of the working class crosses racial and party lines and could be a uniting force but politicians would rather keep America divided on social issues. If anyone doesn’t support the status quo you get labeled a commie. This is where we’re at. 1
Tommy Callahan Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 It resonates with the working man like so many songs before Think ccr and silver spoon, mj and they don't care about us, and so on. 1
julian Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Which side promotes higher tax rates for the ultra wealthy? Safety net welfare programs for the poor? Expanding health care to those who don't qualify for medicaid and have no insurance? Limiting dark money and corporate contributions in elections? A higher minimum wage? Sadly, the MAGA's, like this Richmond dude, bite the hand that would feed them... You still believe there’s 2 sides, you must look deeper and think more critically Don’t allow yourself to wear the jersey of a political party and then shut your brain off and assume you’re on the “good guy” team. This division is intentional and calculated and designed to do exactly what it’s doing with you, making you believe if those people on the other team would just think and believe as your team does then all problems would be solved. I respect your opinion and hope you can someday see beyond the tribalism. 1
US Egg Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 That a folksy one man opinion song can rile up animosity shows the intolerance fervent amongst the offended.
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, julian said: You still believe there’s 2 sides, you must look deeper and think more critically Don’t allow yourself to wear the jersey of a political party and then shut your brain off and assume you’re on the “good guy” team. This division is intentional and calculated and designed to do exactly what it’s doing with you, making you believe if those people on the other team would just think and believe as your team does then all problems would be solved. I respect your opinion and hope you can someday see beyond the tribalism. I despise civil unrest from both sides. But there’s only one side calling for violent political revolt and actually acting on it. Who is the they that you believe are pulling the strings? The “elite” and corporatists? On a national level yes. But go to county functions or meetings of each side and witness the difference And again, 1 side championed election finance reform. The other fought against it Edited August 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever 2
julian Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 48 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: I despise civil unrest from both sides. But there’s only one side calling for violent political revolt and actually acting on it. Who is the they that you believe are pulling the strings? The “elite” and corporatists? On a national level yes. But go to county functions or meetings of each side and witness the difference And again, 1 side championed election finance reform. The other fought against it Good luck and keep up the good fight. 1
SCBills Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Joe Ferguson forever said: Which side promotes higher tax rates for the ultra wealthy? Safety net welfare programs for the poor? Expanding health care to those who don't qualify for medicaid and have no insurance? Limiting dark money and corporate contributions in elections? A higher minimum wage? Sadly, the MAGA's, like this Richmond dude, bite the hand that would feed them... Believe it or not… many blue collar democrats have an issue with welfare abuse. Do you think random iron worker in Pennsylvania that works long, grueling hours and comes home to a house he can barely afford is cool with people pretending to look for jobs, getting hired, getting fired etc., to game the system and use food stamps as a means of sustinence - as opposed to a helping hand to get back on their feet? Because it seems like that line is the one that’s got y’all worked up. “Obese milking welfare… taxes ought not pay for your bag of fudge rounds”. He’s right. Everything else about govt control, high taxes etc., is felt by everyone… except, apparently, modern day leftists that implicitly trust the govt. Edited August 19, 2023 by SCBills 1 1
Joe Ferguson forever Posted August 19, 2023 Posted August 19, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, SCBills said: Believe it or not… many blue collar democrats have an issue with welfare abuse. Do you think random iron worker in Pennsylvania that works long, grueling hours and comes home to a house he can barely afford is cool with people pretending to look for jobs, getting hired, getting fired etc., to game the system and use food stamps as a means of sustinence - as opposed to a helping hand to get back on their feet? Because it seems like that line is the one that’s got y’all worked up. “Obese milking welfare… taxes ought not pay for your bag of fudge rounds”. He’s right. Everything else about govt control, high taxes etc., is felt by everyone… except, apparently, modern day leftists that implicitly trust the govt. that isn't the line that gets me worked up. worked up about a possibly sincere, but carefully manipulative song that has become a cult hit. Cult hit's are fine but this particular cult...That said, I think welfare cheats should get caught and prosecuted. I doubt my estimate of prevalence matches yours. too lazy to look. but yeah, I also have an issue with welfare abuse. Cheating is cheating. Stealing is stealing. Edited August 19, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever
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