Who else is in the let’s get Gabe Davis signed to an extension camp?

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

This is basically the only chance we have to resign him. If he has a good season, he will cost too much. If he struggles, he will be cheaper but do we want him back then? 
 

I think we expected way too much from him last year and he still had some good moments. Not sure if he is a legit number 2 but I think he will have a good year this year and would love a price is right contract now. 
 

 

The Bills should have been drafting Diggs’ replacement as well. They need to just constantly draft guys so they can get young, cheap guys to grow with Allen. The Chiefs are constantly bringing in young receiver and letting the old expensive vets go.

Absolutely. There’s a strong chance that 3 years from now, none of our current WR’s are on the roster. 
 

Every team is gonna be different, but I don’t want to be relying on a rookie WR drafted at #28 to be our #1 when Josh is in his 30s.

 

 

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Eastport bills said:

Why do you think our options are better if he walks? A late 2nd rd draft choice or worse who takes 2 or 3 seasons to produce at Gabe’s level or a 2nd tier FA who gets close to the money I called for and has been inconsistent or injury riddled enough to be passed over by his previous team. I think Gabe’s a legitimate #2 for our team going forward, and these receivers get 15 to 20. The cap will be going up and this position group is right behind QBs.

Is Hopkins short term and a 2nd round pick WR and a 3rd round comp pick and 5M in cap space to spend more impactful than gabe, as a potential real quantification of that? 

50 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I hope he has a massive season. Then Buffalo tags him and some team trades for him a La Peerless Price and they’ll realize dude was just standing on the shoulders of others.

 

Then I’ll sit back, light up a cigar and say, that’s right. While I look over my kingdom. Of idiots.

I’d be real good with a package like received for diggs, hill or adams if you want to pick an example in the last 20 years
 

the alternate, if Davis truly explodes… maybe it’s diggs you deal and use the pick on a young guy. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

I love Gabe and want him to stay a Bill but I don't imagine a scenario where we are even close to his money from someone else. I expect him to get 15+ a year if he has a good year and we can't be on the hook for that as our #2, unless he turns into a true 1A

[Eastport bills]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Is Hopkins short term and a 2nd round pick WR and a 3rd round comp pick and 5M in cap space to spend more impactful than gabe, as a potential real quantification of that? 

I’d be real good with a package like received for diggs, hill or adams if you want to pick an example in the last 20 years
 

the alternate, if Davis truly explodes… maybe it’s diggs you deal and use the pick on a young guy. 

Hopkins is signed for 2 years and will be 34 when available. I understand you don’t think Gabe is worth the kind of money I called for but he’s young and improving and works well in our offense.

[Mat68]

I think Davis has a massive year.  Kincaid and Sherfield allows Davis to run more routes instead of blocking.  Keeping him a little fresher increases his efficiency imo and results in more production. 

[hondo in seattle]

I think Shaw is right: we let Gabe walk and blame the cap.

 

If Kincaid develops the way we hope, Josh will have two elite targets next year: Diggs and Kincaid.  And then we'll fill the gaps with the other (affordable) guys we have who aren't bad.  And maybe we draft a WR and enjoy his cheap rookie contract.  

 

If we hadn't signed Von for his big contract, we could have afforded a talented veteran WR and OL.  Now we can't.

 

I do get, btw, Beane's philosophy.  It's a passing league so he gives out the biggest salaries to a star QB, star WR, star CB, and a star DE. 

 

We just can't afford two big-ticket players at any position.  And personally, at this point, I'd rather spend money on the OL than on Gabe.  I'm tired of our expensive, talented QB getting mauled.  A better O line would give us a running game.  And it would give Josh more time to scan for receivers.  And that would make the passing game better, with or without Gabe.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

Okay let me rephrase.

 

The time to draft a non-lottery ticket replacement for Gabe Davis was this year.

 

Expecting fifth round players to start on a Superbowl team is a bad strategy.

Gabe himself was a 4th rounder. I still have plenty of questions regarding Gabe. His best years have been when he was consistently the 4th option. 
 

It’s not impossible that a 5th round draft pick going into year two could put up similar numbers to Gabe’s 2022 numbers assuming he is targeted the same. 
 

Gabe’s efficiency this year needs to go up one way or the other. Either huge numbers on the same large number of targets he had last year or lower numbers but on far fewer targets as the 4th option in most games. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

17 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

 

If Kincaid develops the way we hope, Josh will have two elite targets next year: Diggs and Kincaid.  And then we'll fill the gaps with the other (affordable) guys we have who aren't bad.  And maybe we draft a WR and enjoy his cheap rookie contract.  

 

 

 

we are playing fire if we are putting our hopes into Diggs still being an elite  receiver at the age of 31. That’s would be his age he turns in the 2024 season.

 

There just aren’t any revivers at that age that produce at a high level that I have seen in recent years. 
 

Now, I predicted last year that Diggs would decline and he proved me wrong once already. But odds are that by 2024 he shows a noticeable decline. We would really need Kincaid to basically take over the  thrown of best TE in the game in 2024. Not impossible I guess with Kelce’s age and how good Kincaid has looked thus far. 

[FireChans]

9 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Gabe himself was a 4th rounder. I still have plenty of questions regarding Gabe. His best years have been when he was consistently the 4th option. 
 

It’s not impossible that a 5th round draft pick going into year two could put up similar numbers to Gabe’s 2022 numbers assuming he is targeted the same. 
 

Gabe’s efficiency this year needs to go up one way or the other. Either huge numbers on the same large number of targets he had last year or lower numbers but on far fewer targets as the 4th option in most games. 

It’s not impossible but it not a good plan to replace starting WR’s with fifth rounders. Remember Shakir lol.

 

The Bills need a revolving stable of talent in the WR position. They need to be like the Steelers. Second or third rounder every other year.

[Scott7975]

Unless its on a cheap deal, I am fine not signing him.  Hasn't shown enough to pay top money for.  If he balls out this year and moves on somewhere then oh well.  Find a replacement.

[Ramza86]

I think you can draft plenty of gabe davis or better all the time.

 

 

[Pirate Angel]

On 8/10/2023 at 9:34 PM, BillsFan130 said:

The franchise tag for him next year would be about 20 million, if not higher. There is no way the bills will risk tagging him, as Gabe would hold all the leverage when working on an extension

Yeah you dont tag #2 WRs unless you can trade him to be someone's #1 I think that's what they did with Peerless Price when they had Moulds. Giving a guy an average of the 10 ten paid players at a position where he isn't the #1 on his own team and he hasn't shown that he is a #2 doesn't make sense.  

[bobobonators]

How much longer is Diggs going to be elite? He turns 30 in 3 months. 
 

We need to start thinking about the future at WR. Id be willing to roll the dice with Davis being part of the future. 
 

 

[NoSaint]

On 8/12/2023 at 12:47 PM, Eastport bills said:

Hopkins is signed for 2 years and will be 34 when available. I understand you don’t think Gabe is worth the kind of money I called for but he’s young and improving and works well in our offense.

I was using him as an example. Insert vet receiver cut next year in his place for the real world execution.

35 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said:

Yeah you dont tag #2 WRs unless you can trade him to be someone's #1 I think that's what they did with Peerless Price when they had Moulds. Giving a guy an average of the 10 ten paid players at a position where he isn't the #1 on his own team and he hasn't shown that he is a #2 doesn't make sense.  

Talking 20m now and a fast rising number at that 

[billsfan89]

On 8/12/2023 at 9:08 PM, hondo in seattle said:

I think Shaw is right: we let Gabe walk and blame the cap.

 

If Kincaid develops the way we hope, Josh will have two elite targets next year: Diggs and Kincaid.  And then we'll fill the gaps with the other (affordable) guys we have who aren't bad.  And maybe we draft a WR and enjoy his cheap rookie contract.  

 

If we hadn't signed Von for his big contract, we could have afforded a talented veteran WR and OL.  Now we can't.

 

I do get, btw, Beane's philosophy.  It's a passing league so he gives out the biggest salaries to a star QB, star WR, star CB, and a star DE. 

 

We just can't afford two big-ticket players at any position.  And personally, at this point, I'd rather spend money on the OL than on Gabe.  I'm tired of our expensive, talented QB getting mauled.  A better O line would give us a running game.  And it would give Josh more time to scan for receivers.  And that would make the passing game better, with or without Gabe.  

Probably will spend a first on a pass catcher again in 2024 and go Oline in round 2 as well. Diggs is getting older and Gabe Davis is a likely loss in free agency. A first invested at WR will likely fill short and long term needs as would an offensive line pick.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

1 hour ago, bobobonators said:

How much longer is Diggs going to be elite? He turns 30 in 3 months. 
 

We need to start thinking about the future at WR. Id be willing to roll the dice with Davis being part of the future. 
 

 

Id argue that re-signing Davis to be a part of the future only hinders your ability to acquire and retain a true #1.

 

With Diggs age a factor, you need to have as many avenues as possible to be able to find the next in line. And we all know that isn’t Davis. 
 

Re-signing him to even a moderate deal now reduced cap availability for an already strapped team financially. 

5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

Probably will spend a first on a pass catcher again in 2024 and go Oline in round 2 as well. Diggs is getting older and Gabe Davis is a likely loss in free agency. A first invested at WR will likely fill short and long term needs as would an offensive line pick.

Yes, and in doing so, you’d hope to get a player better than Davis, so extending his contract does nothing to the top end of your roster other than wasting cap space. 

[Eastport bills]

3 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I was using him as an example. Insert vet receiver cut next year in his place for the real world execution.

Talking 20m now and a fast rising number at that 

I like Davis better than any vet available and I think he just suits our offense and Josh loved him.

[julian]

3 hours ago, bobobonators said:

How much longer is Diggs going to be elite? He turns 30 in 3 months. 
 

We need to start thinking about the future at WR. Id be willing to roll the dice with Davis being part of the future. 
 

 

He’s certainly not seeing another big money deal from this team.. I’m hoping he’s got 2-3 years of elite play and we can get 1-2 rings.

 

 But who knows.

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

I like Davis better than any vet available and I think he just suits our offense and Josh loved him.

Know who else he’d love? Mike evans plus a highly drafted rookie, plus cap space leftover.

 

[4merper4mer]

On 8/12/2023 at 12:43 PM, FireChans said:

 

Every team is gonna be different, but I don’t want to be relying on a rookie WR drafted at #28 to be our #1 when Josh is in his 30s.

 

 

Would you take one drafted at #32?