Who else is in the let’s get Gabe Davis signed to an extension camp?

[1ManRaid]

I'm as big a believer in Davis as the next guy, but I'm in the "jeeze, let's at least see him play in a preseason game first to see how he's taking to the new schemes and routes" camp.

[NoSaint]

19 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

May your 40th post be better

That is a very good question. The answer is I don’t know. I just assumed that it would be cheaper now then if we waited till the end of the year.
 

The truth is, we don’t know how the bills feel about him. I’ve got the sneaky suspicion that the bills love him.

 

But they love Tremaine Edmunds to

it may be a little cheaper now 

 

But it’s likely starting talks at close to 15m a year? I mean guys like Lazard and jokobi Myers are 11m. Sutton and Renfrow are 15m.
 

unless you think he breaks out as a top 10 guy, he’s going to be similarly in the teens next year. Is the savings of 14 vs 16 worth moving early? Meh.

[transplantbillsfan]

Yes, 100%.

 

I'm in one of 2 boats:

 

1)  Sign him to an extension NOW!!!!  He is only going to get more expensive.  Keep in mind it's not just about how he plays this year, it's also about the WR market.  The WR market seems to be trending up, so even if he has another year resembling last year, I think he's going to be looking at a contract north of $15m per year next offseason.  If we lock him up now, we could potentially get him for less.

 

OR

 

2) Trade him for assets that will help us to draft a true #1B WR opposite Diggs in next year's draft.  Everyone knows I started a thread about this that seems unpopular, but from all reports in camp, it looks like we'll have more weapons than we had last year even without Davis.  And with the shift in our offense to more 12 personnel with Kincaid and Knox and how both are looking in camp, I don't know that putting Sherfield opposite Diggs with Knox, Kincaid and Cook as our other weapons is that huge a downgrade.  Plus we'd have plenty of draft capital for cost-controlled, inexpensive talent.

 

 

And yes, I realize some are pointing out the compensatory pick thing, but that also requires that you let some of your other UFAs walk and you don't sign as many as you let walk.  It requires you basically sit on your hands and choose not to upgrade your team or maintain what you have in order to acquire a 3rd or 4th round draft pick.

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

it may be a little cheaper now 

 

But it’s likely starting talks at close to 15m a year? I mean guys like Lazard and jokobi Myers are 11m. Sutton and Renfrow are 15m.
 

unless you think he breaks out as a top 10 guy, he’s going to be similarly in the teens next year. Is the savings of 14 vs 16 worth moving early? Meh.

I firmly believe this FO is planning for life after Gabe next year. If they truly believe that Kincaid is going to emerge as the slot #2 option behind Diggs, then you don’t throw big money at what will really be WR3 even though he plays the boundary. 

2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Yes, 100%.

 

I'm in one of 2 boats:

 

1)  Sign him to an extension NOW!!!!  He is only going to get more expensive.  Keep in mind it's not just about how he plays this year, it's also about the WR market.  The WR market seems to be trending up, so even if he has another year resembling last year, I think he's going to be looking at a contract north of $15m per year next offseason.  If we lock him up now, we could potentially get him for less.

 

OR

 

2) Trade him for assets that will help us to draft a true #1B WR opposite Diggs in next year's draft.  Everyone knows I started a thread about this that seems unpopular, but from all reports in camp, it looks like we'll have more weapons than we had last year even without Davis.  And with the shift in our offense to more 12 personnel with Kincaid and Knox and how both are looking in camp, I don't know that putting Sherfield opposite Diggs with Knox, Kincaid and Cook as our other weapons is that huge a downgrade.  Plus we'd have plenty of draft capital for cost-controlled, inexpensive talent.

 

 

And yes, I realize some are pointing out the compensatory pick thing, but that also requires that you let some of your other UFAs walk and you don't sign as many as you let walk.  It requires you basically sit on your hands and choose not to upgrade your team or maintain what you have in order to acquire a 3rd or 4th round draft pick.

Holy *****. Pay Gabe $14M or trade him and put Sherfield on the field because it won’t be that big of a downgrade??

 

impossible to have both of these takes at once.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Much as I thought about Edmunds, I want to see an entire season and post season worth of performance in his walk year to make a decision. I dont want Beane to sign him earlier under the fear of him being too expensive next offseason. Worst case, he excels this season, brings up his catch % and becomes too expensive for the Bills. And then the Bills are in the market for a #2, which I am fine with. We havent seen the consistency from Davis to do an early renewal of contract. 

 

 

Agree.   I think if Davis was willing to take a Logan Wilson style discount deal........or the 2023 equivalent of the 2022 Marquez Valdes-Scantling deal........then that probably would have gotten done.  

 

But even that we don't know because we don't know what kind of numbers they've thrown around.

 

And how many times were obviously legitimate criticism of Tremaine Edmunds answered simply with "well Beane thinks differently" by people who presumed to know that Tremaine would never be allowed to get out of the building?     

[PBF81]

No matter the opinions, Camp observers and the coaching staff are high on Davis so far from what they've seen with him playing injury-free.  

 

It should be encouraging.  

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

 

yikes, Lazard is overpaid.  

Paying Gabe big money seems like a mistake.  A rookie and/or lower priced vet (hopefully Shorter is good), and use the extra money on the OL.  

 

I'm fine paying a wide receiver. Trade a decent pick if someone becomes available as they almost always do, if I'm paying a premium I want a more premium player than Davis has shown to be at this point.

[BigDingus]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

I think we all get that.  Point is they can re-sign him any time, not just after the season. 

 

We should all get that, but I responded to the original post claiming there was "NO benefit" to extending him now. I simply pointed out there was. 

 

"Any time, not just after the season" presents the same dilemma. If you play wait & see, you lose leverage the further into a good season you go.

 

And if you do wait until end of the season, you're almost guaranteeing he leaves.

 

He has a great season - can't afford him. 

He has a bad season- you let him hit FA.

He has an average season- you only extend if the player doesn't think he'll get a better shot elsewhere & you don't have better options.

 

So it seems like most of the board is willing to just hope for one great season out of him & saying goodbye. 

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, FireChans said:

Holy *****. Pay Gabe $14M or trade him and put Sherfield on the field because it won’t be that big of a downgrade??

 

impossible to have both of these takes at once.

 

Why is that? Everyone is going nuts over Gabe's camp. Sherfield by all reports has also been really good.

 

If I had my choice, I would sign Gabe to a long term deal right now somewhere in the $10-$15m range. I bet his agent is seeking north of that, though.

 

I know you enjoy trolling me, which is fine. That said, Sherfield isn't a scrub. Harty isn't a scrub. And dare I bring up the fact that Isabella has been impressing a lot of people in camp... and not just as a KR/PR...?

 

Keep Gabe if we can. But Gabe isn't one of the irreplaceable pieces of this offense.

[Buffalo716]

8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Why is that? Everyone is going nuts over Gabe's camp. Sherfield by all reports has also been really good.

 

If I had my choice, I would sign Gabe to a long term deal right now somewhere in the $10-$15m range. I bet his agent is seeking north of that, though.

 

I know you enjoy trolling me, which is fine. That said, Sherfield isn't a scrub. Harty isn't a scrub. And dare I bring up the fact that Isabella has been impressing a lot of people in camp... and not just as a KR/PR...?

 

Keep Gabe if we can. But Gabe isn't one of the irreplaceable pieces of this offense.

Isabella is hardly a real kick returner or punt returner option 

 

He's like the third option after Hines went down and after Harty. Hyde will field punts before him. Purely a camp option to shag punts

 

He has like 10 total kick/ punt returns in 4 years of college

 

If he makes the team it's because he could stretch the field at wide receiver

Edited August 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[transplantbillsfan]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Isabella is hardly a real kick returner or punt returner option 

 

He's like the third option after Hines went down and after Harty. Hyde will field punts before him. Purely a camp option to shag punts

 

He has like 10 total kick/ punt returns in 4 years of college

 

If he makes the team it's because he could stretch the field at wide receiver

 

Thanks... sounds like he's been having a good camp.

 

WR is seriously a position to watch in preseason with Isabella/Shorter/Davis/Harty/Sherfield. 

[Buffalo716]

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Thanks... sounds like he's been having a good camp.

 

WR is seriously a position to watch in preseason with Isabella/Shorter/Davis/Harty/Sherfield. 

Yes it is

 

I low-key really like the guys we have ... Good mix of traits 

[Chaos]

7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Trade him for assets that will help us to draft a true #1B WR opposite Diggs in next year's draft.

What is the trade value for a WR2 with one year left on a rookie contract? Is this value different now, than at the trading deadline, if so what is the value at the trade deadline? 

[Dr.Sack]

Gabe is too good to not re-up. His stats are right on par with DeVante Adams 3 seasons in.

 

Adams

281 targets / 163 receptions / 1,926 yards / 16 TDs

Playoffs 43 targets / 28 receptions / 389 yards / 4 TDs

 

Davis

218 targets / 118 receptions / 1,984 yards / 20 TDs

Playoffs 37 targets / 22 receptions / 474 yards / 6 TDs

 

 

 

 

[JoPoy88]

On 8/10/2023 at 7:02 PM, John from Riverside said:

If he makes it through the season with no contract, we’re probably going to lose him
 

By all accounts, he has been lights out in this camp like literally one of the best players on the field

 

 

first time I’ve read this post and unsure why you’ve received so many negative reactions because it’s a perfectly valid question but I would not sign him now - understanding that his high ankle sprain hindered him all last year I would still want to see another season of him (hopefully fully healthy) in order to figure that out.

 

If he’s lights out awesome yeah he’ll get interest but Beane can find a way to pay and keep him. If he’s not so great, well, some other team will pay a premium and the Bills will move on.

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

We should all get that, but I responded to the original post claiming there was "NO benefit" to extending him now. I simply pointed out there was. 

 

"Any time, not just after the season" presents the same dilemma. If you play wait & see, you lose leverage the further into a good season you go.

 

And if you do wait until end of the season, you're almost guaranteeing he leaves.

 

He has a great season - can't afford him. 

He has a bad season- you let him hit FA.

He has an average season- you only extend if the player doesn't think he'll get a better shot elsewhere & you don't have better options.

 

So it seems like most of the board is willing to just hope for one great season out of him & saying goodbye. 

 

Given the always rising cap, you can always afford "great" players.

 

Beane disagrees with you 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

We should all get that, but I responded to the original post claiming there was "NO benefit" to extending him now. I simply pointed out there was. 

 

"Any time, not just after the season" presents the same dilemma. If you play wait & see, you lose leverage the further into a good season you go.

 

And if you do wait until end of the season, you're almost guaranteeing he leaves.

 

He has a great season - can't afford him. 

He has a bad season- you let him hit FA.

He has an average season- you only extend if the player doesn't think he'll get a better shot elsewhere & you don't have better options.

 

So it seems like most of the board is willing to just hope for one great season out of him & saying goodbye. 

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with that.   Hopefully they upgrade over what he was last season.   That wouldn't be that tall of an order.......2021 Emmanuel Sanders was better than 2022 Gabriel Davis.    I don't think you sign up for what Gabe did last season for 4-5 years.   Even the Chiefs only gave MVS 3 years $30M.   Unfortunately bad years prior to walk years set up wait and see situations like this.

[eball]

Mr. Optimism here…I’m banking that Y4 Gabe Davis has finally learned how to get his body “right” and the nagging foot/ankle injuries of the past are behind him.  There is no debating that every reporter watching camp has gushed over how Gabe has looked, and we have seen more than enough on the field to know what he is capable of when healthy.

 

If I’m Beane I’m trying to get that deal done now, before Gabe’s price skyrockets.

 

[Eastport bills]

Gabe is about to become elite and his production the last three post seasons is enough proof to do everything possible to sign him before he hits FA. The value of getting your own draft pick on the cheap is huge. You know the guy’s work ethic, character and desire to be a Bill, along with his relationship and trust factor with Josh. Any time a GM wants to sign a player they can find the money and structure the deal to make it doable.

[uticaclub]

Too much of a boom-or-bust player, you take away the game against Pittsburgh and his season was terrible.