Who else is in the let’s get Gabe Davis signed to an extension camp?

[whorlnut]

I think gabe is gonna want to do what edmunds did. He will bet on himself and let the cards fall where they may at the end of the season. If that means we lose him, then so be it. It’s a smart move on his part. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I'd be open to it but at the fair market value of what you think he's going to produce.

 

I like him more than slayton who got 6M AAV, but his numbers don't really line up with JuJu at 8.5M AAV.  The big issue is his agents going to point at allen lazard getting 11M AAV on a 4 year deal - which feels like a lot.  We don't have cap space to pay a #2 WR 11+M AAV, let alone one who has as many wrinkles as Davis.  

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

 

At no point did I say there isn't concerns or that there wasn't any merit to having concerns. If anything, I'm pointing to his biggest detractors who argue the guy has zero redeeming qualities and have a total vendetta for him. Just like all of our Gabe Davis discussions, I'm looking at things from Brandon Beane's stance from his words and actions. 

 

What's likely, what's not likely, and the different points to the discussion from all angles. Not just ranting and raving about my own personal viewpoint. And that's where we always seem to butt heads here. Your view is this is a place to discuss (or rant) about your personal (often hardline) stance. Whereas I don't see the point in that when it comes to personnel and focus more on what the guy calling the shots is likely to do or not do. 

 

But back to Davis. Yes, he had drops last year. But Beane's stance has been that he was dealing with injuries that effected his game (and yes, I hear your concern that this has been an issue in other years) and was also playing against tougher CB's and tougher coverage than he had been up to that point in his career in that it was his first year as a Starter.

 

However, even with your concerns, again, of which there is some merit to, he was 33rd in the league in Reception yards by WR and 16th in the league in TD's by WR. Which is at the very top end production for a #2 WR. 

 

And he put up top production for a #2 WR in a year that you argue wasn't a good year for him. Beane sees a guy that is going into his second year as a Starter and can grow with that experience and a belief that he won't be injured as much. If he can do that, he will have even better numbers.

 

If he truly feels this way as he says (and his actions this offseason has proved) and he can get him re-signed now at a number that fits a top end #2 WR, he may be inclined to do so as if he does perform up to his expectations - it will cost a lot more.

 

Whether you personally think it's wise or not.

 

And at no point did I suggest you said the highlighted.  I didn't need to.  Your exaggeration spoke volumes. 

 

Because there is nothing to suggest an "All Pro" season wouldn't sway opinion of Gabe...................and literally nobody has said Davis has "zero redeeming qualities".   

 

Just fabricated hyperbole from you.

 

The exaggeration with some of you is off the charts here..........like @eball saying that people claim the Bills offense is in a "downward spiral" because it's simply being pointed out that the passing game specifically has declined considerably since 2020.    

 

There is a significant difference between those two descriptions........and as in your case, it was an exaggeration fabricated to shout down undeniable statistical fact.

 

You have to exaggerate against those facts because you can't accept the reality or maybe because you just don't know what you are talking about.

 

Those takes are reminiscent of when the media asked McDermott about being the worst scoring offense in the NFL since the merger halfway thru 2018 and his answer was "Would we like to score 50 points per game?  Sure."    As if anyone suggested that 50 ppg was the difference between worst-ever-thru-8-games and acceptable.  

 

The difference is that McDermott has to answer those questions.   You guys volunteer these takes. 

 

Now as for the rest of your takes on Gabe...........his bulk stats were disappointing as well considering his opportunity/QB........but they are WR2 type.........the problem is that you can't isolate them from the incredible inefficiency per target in his game.    The other players in that bulk WR2 category aren't barely catching 50% of their targets, outright dropping 10% of them and producing a woeful 80 passer rating when thrown to.    Those numbers aren't excusable by having a bad foot for the 3rd straight season.  That wasn't an outlier for him.

 

But I am glad you think that there is *some* merit to those among-very-worst numbers.  

 

And wrt Beane.........I don't know what he is thinking.    Last year at this time people with your slant were still thinking Edmunds was going to get re-signed.   If the organization is certain about a player these things get done in the offseason after year 3 when they become extension eligible.   Presuming that Beane has made up his mind about the lengths he will go to re-sign Davis would be a mistake.   A great start might elevate the urgency and raise his value.   A poor start might cause them to back off.   I would guess that they have a number in mind now that they would sign him for immediately but we don't even know THAT for certain.

[Yawning Frog]

16 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If he makes it through the season with no contract, we’re probably going to lose him
 

By all accounts, he has been lights out in this camp like literally one of the best players on the field

 

 

 

[ddaryl]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBaumer said:

This is exactly right and it sucks because I guarantee you he is going to have an amazing season.

 

 

we shall see if he can put together a season of 60 - 70 catches and / or reduce the drop rate conserably. I think he can but got to see it. Either way like you agreed he is gone after this year... 

[Malazan]

I don't see the advantage for the Bills. I actually think highly of him and thought last season was unfortunate. Davis is well aware he had a down year and so is his agent. He's not going to give a massive discount and is going to bank on having a year that convinces someone to pay him. So the Bills would end up giving him a 'market' contract with a ton of risk on their end. 

 

I'd rather let him play in a contract year and get the highest possible performance from him and let the chips fall where they may next offseason. 

Edited August 11, 2023 by Malazan

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

And wrt Beane.........I don't know what he is thinking.    Last year at this time people with your slant were still thinking Edmunds was going to get re-signed.   If the organization is certain about a player these things get done in the offseason after year 3 when they become extension eligible.   Presuming that Beane has made up his mind about the lengths he will go to re-sign Davis would be a mistake.   A great start might elevate the urgency and raise his value.   A poor start might cause them to back off.   I would guess that they have a number in mind now that they would sign him for immediately but we don't even know THAT for certain.

Much as I thought about Edmunds, I want to see an entire season and post season worth of performance in his walk year to make a decision. I dont want Beane to sign him earlier under the fear of him being too expensive next offseason. Worst case, he excels this season, brings up his catch % and becomes too expensive for the Bills. And then the Bills are in the market for a #2, which I am fine with. We havent seen the consistency from Davis to do an early renewal of contract. 

[ColoradoBills]

I'm all for Gabe having a career season and toping it off with the SB winning TD reception.

Let another team pay him big money and get that 3rd round comp pick.

 

Beane will need it picking at 32.

[Alphadawg7]

18 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If he makes it through the season with no contract, we’re probably going to lose him
 

By all accounts, he has been lights out in this camp like literally one of the best players on the field

 

 

 

I get why you are saying this...and I will admit, his camp performance has started to shift my skepticism (after last seasons struggles) some, and more so because of how much more has come out about his ankle injury and the impact it had on him last season.  

 

Also, with Kincaid here, Gabe doesn't have to be so heavily relied on, and I think Kincaid is going to open up a lot of things for Davis this season.  It's not unrealistic to think Davis has his best season this year and that he might flourish in this offense now the way it is built.  

 

But, it is still training camp, so I wouldn't want to over react and give him some deal that he may not live up to.  However, if they found a way to get an extension together that wasn't crazy, then hey I wouldn't hate it.  But I also don't know why Gabe would do a deal like that in a contract year, I mean he will get that type of deal regardless from someone at the very minimum next season.  It would only be if he truly wants to stay, otherwise he can set himself up for a potential significant contract next year if he puts up his best season.

 

And you are right, if he has a big season, then we will likely lose him as it would be tough to afford him. 

 

[dayman]

Gabe needs to play beside we sign him to anything

[Milanos Milano]

No on paying Davis. I’m a big fan of paying players who deserve it, and not those that only show up in contract years. 

As others have said, draft a WR in the 1st next year and have 5 years of cost controls. 

[RyanC883]

4 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

I'd be open to it but at the fair market value of what you think he's going to produce.

 

I like him more than slayton who got 6M AAV, but his numbers don't really line up with JuJu at 8.5M AAV.  The big issue is his agents going to point at allen lazard getting 11M AAV on a 4 year deal - which feels like a lot.  We don't have cap space to pay a #2 WR 11+M AAV, let alone one who has as many wrinkles as Davis.  

 

yikes, Lazard is overpaid.  

Paying Gabe big money seems like a mistake.  A rookie and/or lower priced vet (hopefully Shorter is good), and use the extra money on the OL.  

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I don't know how to reconcile the nobody outworks Gabe Davis line, with the photo I saw of him after the season with Bert K. 

 

If the Bills just straight up let him walk and try to replace with what they have, of course they'll be worse. 

 

But heading into the 2024 Draft we already know the biggest problems on this roster: RT, WR, MLB and probably going to need someone at S. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

21 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If he makes it through the season with no contract, we’re probably going to lose him
 

By all accounts, he has been lights out in this camp like literally one of the best players on the field

 

 

Every year there’s a training camp hero that now sells insurance. Not saying Gabe is that, but let’s not anoint him a star until the games count. 

[WhoTom]

7 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

On the other hand, Davis's comments didn't seem like he was in a rush. Those can be found in the article below.

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2023/07/buffalo-bills-receiver-reveals-mothers-message-ahead-of-contract-year.html

 

From that article:

Quote

“My mom tells me all the time, and I try to think of it as well ... look how far I’ve come, look where I’m at, look what I’m doing, I’m living my dream,” Davis said. “(She said) don’t let the money take your happiness away on why you love this game and why you started playing it in the first place.”

 

Sounds like he might be amenable to a team-friendly deal.

 

 

[BillsShredder83]

The more I think about it the more Im ok letting him walk.  He'll be vastly overpaid, help us snag a comp pick..... PLUS I think it somewhat forces our hand to go WR in rd1.

 

These WR classes have been awesome. Snag someone more versatile, with a higher ceiling, on a cost controlled contract.  Justin Jefferson was like what, the 4th or 5th WR off the board.  Not saying we'll get a JJ, but WR hasnt been one of the positions where if you dont get the top#1 or 2 prospect at the position, you are SOL.

 

With Josh here, we should 100% be taking a WR in rds 1-3 EVERY year. Josh is going to help a lot of guys get overpaid on their 2nd contracts elsewhere, need to keep the pipeline flowing

[Charles Romes]

Really worried about 14 hitting the wall at 30. It happens. 

[Pokebball]

Absolutely. A reasonable one.

[oldmanfan]

I’d certainly open the discussion if I were Beane.

[BananaB]

Why would you want extend a guy who had a rough year? It’s not like Gabe hasn’t shined during TC before. He does every summer.