Who else is in the let’s get Gabe Davis signed to an extension camp?

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Drafted young WRs are crap shoots.  Veterans are a much safer bet.  Go Diggs like, yes we could have had J Jeff but also look at all the others we may have had that haven't panned out..  Buy a veteran, don't take any chances with this.   And since you're getting a veteran do it in-season, don't wait.

 

For instance, M Evans- he has a $13M salary this year and by the time they do an in-season trade over 1/3 of the season is gone.  Probably for the third we got for Edmunds.  You give him a two year contract (to overlap Diggs' contract for insurance purposes) at not much more than it would cost for Davis, around the money that DHop got.  M Evans already knows the role he will have, and would probably love being WR2 in this offense.  He's working on a HOF career and this would be a great way to keep at it.

 

If Beane can get more creative, a run for C Kupp could happen.  Diggs style.  Throw a first their way and maybe Elam, and have them eat some of the money so we can make the finances work.

 

I disagree. Rookie WRs are acclimating to the league MUCH faster these days. Give me someone on a rookie deal all day long. For example…people said this was a bad year for WRs, but Addison, flowers, JSN, Jayden Reed, and a few others have made major contributions so far. This isn’t the old nfl. Young receivers can come in and make an instant impact and be had on the cheap for at least 4 years. It comes down to trusting your scouting department.

[billsfan89]

I think by the end of the next 3-4 weeks we will know if Gabe is up to it consistently or is he more of a WR3/4 supplemental deep threat kind of player? He had a great game against the Raiders and looked very similar to last season against the Commanders and Jets. Small sample size so let's see more of him before the Bills go out and make a trade for a WR. 

[Alphadawg7]

53 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I didn't say you were suggesting a trade, I am.  And the trade talk is not about moving Gabe, it's about the Bills bringing in another WR.  The evaluation the FO is making is if Gabe is WR2 material.  If they make that decision within the two month time frame they then try and get a real WR2 (and that would obviously signal no intention of signing Gabe next year).  That is a big time move for a SB push.

 

The FO had claimed that Gabe's disappointing 2022 was because of injuries.  I don't see any improvement while he is uninjured.  

 

The FO was already leery of Gabe and had investigated OBJ and DHop.  I'm hoping this is plan B.

My mentioning a trade if for the Bills to get a better WR, not move Gabe.  If the FO makes the decision that Gabe is not the WR2, then they can try and go get one now - in-season trade.  A Mike Evans type with the mind set that Gabe leaves next year.

 

 

It takes time for a WR to learn the playbook, develop timing and feel with a QB.  The odds Gabe would be traded in season for a WR who doesn't know the offense or have any experience with Josh are low IMO.  I just don't think its likely, especially since the staff is less down on Gabe than many of the fans are.  

 

So I wouldn't hold your breath on a trade, I just don't see that happening

Edited September 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I would extend him now while his value  is low. Davis is still a very nice piece even if he doesn’t show anymore major improvement. 

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

What, is that a joke? 
 

He has 9 catches, ALL of which have either gone for a 1st-Down or scored a TD.  He caught Allen's only TD pass in the last game. 

 

He has logged 1st-Downs and in one case the TD itself, on drives featuring over half the teams offensive points and on 6 of the teams TD drives.  

 

That's not making in impact?  

LOL  

 

OK  

 

There's not another player in the league with that this season.  

 

 

 

Dude, you are manipulating that info lol.  All but 3 catches came in one game but you keep grouping it to mask his lack of production in 2 of them.

 

There is not another player in the league making that kind of impact...you mean like catching just 3 out of 8 passes over 2 games?  You know, you are probably right, they are likely on the bench lol.  

 

The list of WR's having a bigger impact and more production for their team than Davis is long.  There are rookies doing better so far.  

Edited September 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[dayman]

He’s worth mid-to-low tier #2 money. He drops balls and doesn’t flash enough for anything more.

 

in a world where our cap opens up at some point I would hope for more at #2

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

So is the argument that he sucks, or  wants too much money?  
 

I'm not paying him $15/season.  Not happening if I'm the GM and I don't see Beane even entertaining that notion.  

 

 

 

Yeah, pretty much.  

 

 

That’s the point he’s going to price himself out of Buffalo for his production they can replace him 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Dude, you are manipulating that info lol.  All but 3 catches came in one game but you keep grouping it to mask his lack of production in 2 of them.

 

There is not another player in the league making that kind of impact...you mean like catching just 3 out of 8 passes over 2 games?  You know, you are probably right, they are likely on the bench lol.  

 

The list of WR's having a bigger impact and more production for their team than Davis is long.  There are rookies doing better so far.  

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

That’s the point he’s going to price himself out of Buffalo for his production they can replace him 

 

Quite possibly.  I have no idea, guesswork at best.  But that's on him as to whether he'd rather stick around with Allen or go elsewhere for the money.  

 

Happens all the time in the NFL.  

 

All I know is that Davis is the best drafted WR we've had.  Beane's success at drafting WRs otherwise is abysmal.  And what, we're going to pay for a #2 (really another #1) in free agency otherwise, and end up with better?   

 

We'll see.  

 

 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

It takes time for a WR to learn the playbook, develop timing and feel with a QB.  The odds Gabe would be traded in season for a WR who doesn't know the offense or have any experience with Josh are low IMO.  I just don't think its likely, especially since the staff is less down on Gabe than many of the fans are.  

 

So I wouldn't hold your breath on a trade, I just don't see that happening

 

If the Bills are going to make a trade for a WR they are going to not include Gabe in the trade. For one you are correct they are going to want Gabe still there as a security blanket in case of a learning curve for a vet WR brought in. Secondly, I think that they are likely hoping to get a comp pick for Gabe if he walks in free agency. So why give him up for some other team to possibly get the comp pick? 

 

Right now if Gabe is still up and down the next few weeks and it is impacting the offense massively then I can see a WR trade for Jerry Jeudy or Mike Evans one year rental type trade. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Dopey said:

Sometimes you make too much sense for some here. I was going to interject with the same thing. 

 

 

@Alphadawg7 has potential because he is thinking it thru and trying to figure it out.    He shouldn't have believed for a second of this offseason that Gabe was anything more than what he's proven to be in his first 3 years because his deficiencies are not necessarily fixable.   Sometimes there just isn't enough talent.  But better to come to that realization late than never.   You on the other hand........you are just good with being wrong and defiant about it,  from what I've seen.

[GoBills808]

It's pretty funny that people think 9catches on 15 targets through three games couldn't be replicated by another random receiver in free agency or any 2-5th Rd pick

[Alphadawg7]

58 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

Dude you keep moving the goal post lmao.  No one is judging him off 3 games...they are judging him off 3 years and 3 games SMH.

 

And he is on pace for 901 yards, not 1000.  If he goes on to produce MORE than he has been producing, then great, it wouldn't be an issue now would it.  I don't see anyone complaining about your made up year end stats that have not happened yet...they are concerned about the ACTUAL inconsistent performances and ACTUAL pace he is on not being anything better than what we have seen in the past.  

 

If he goes on to show consistency and reliability week to week the rest of the season then that is great.  But he hasn't been consistent in his first 3 years and he hasn't been consistent in the first 3 games.  So we are still waiting for that to happen.

[JerseyBills]

On 8/10/2023 at 9:53 PM, JerseyBills said:

I'm definitely in that camp unless he shows no improvement,  which I doubt

 

Hopefully lock him in for a good contract to pair w Diggs for 3+ years

I still feel this way, even moreso that he earned that captain role. 

I'd try to get a deal done asap. Even if we draft a WR in rd 1, we'll be picking 32nd. Seems it's such a crap shoot at wr. picking that late and i don't see a FA WR we're capable of paying that's better than Gabe. 

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

@Alphadawg7 has potential because he is thinking it thru and trying to figure it out.    He shouldn't have believed for a second of this offseason that Gabe was anything more than what he's proven to be in his first 3 years because his deficiencies are not necessarily fixable.   Sometimes there just isn't enough talent.  But better to come to that realization late than never.   You on the other hand........you are just good with being wrong and defiant about it,  from what I've seen.

 

To be clear, I never said I believed in him coming into the season after I was down on him after last year.  I said I had some renewed optimism by the time season started given his reportedly strong camp and being a contract year, but I was never sold and I still needed to see it on the field...and so far, I haven't. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

To be clear, I never said I believed in him coming into the season after I was down on him after last year.  I said I had some renewed optimism by the time season started given his reportedly strong camp and being a contract year, but I was never sold and I still needed to see it on the field...and so far, I haven't. 

 

 

Yeah I heard you the first time..........like I said........you shouldn't have got sucked in even for that moment.

 

After 3 years of the same issues and tons of film identifying his talent deficiencies it should have been abundantly clear.

 

It's not for lack of hardwork or buy-in etc...........the guy just isn't talented enough to be a high end WR2 for a SB contender.

 

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

 

 

Quite possibly.  I have no idea, guesswork at best.  But that's on him as to whether he'd rather stick around with Allen or go elsewhere for the money.  

 

Happens all the time in the NFL.  

 

All I know is that Davis is the best drafted WR we've had.  Beane's success at drafting WRs otherwise is abysmal.  And what, we're going to pay for a #2 (really another #1) in free agency otherwise, and end up with better?   

 

We'll see.  

 

 

Have you seen this years draft class of receivers Xavier Worthy who is currently the 5th best receiver prospect would have been the top receiver taken in last Aprils draft 

[AuntieEm]

On 8/10/2023 at 7:29 PM, John from Riverside said:

I get the reservations, the not being able to stay healthy thing on the ankle is definitely supportive of that
 

I’m just saying if he has a great year he’s gone they are paying ridiculous money to wide receivers

If he stays healthy and has a great season then he earned the right to decide what's most important for him and his career.  If the Bills can't work a deal he will  accept then I wish him well and see who we sign or draft.  We have  QB capable of making talented players shine so there be options to replace him.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

9 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

What, is that a joke? 
 

He has 9 catches, ALL of which have either gone for a 1st-Down or scored a TD.  He caught Allen's only TD pass in the last game. 

 

He has logged 1st-Downs and in one case the TD itself, on drives featuring over half the teams offensive points and on 6 of the teams TD drives.  

 

That's not making in impact?  

LOL  

 

OK  

 

There's not another player in the league with that this season.  

 

 

 

So pro-football-reference has this handy feature.  If you check "toggle per game statistics", you can then sort it any way you like.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/receiving.htm

 

If we sort it on "receptions" with "per game" enabled, we can see that Davis is #89 amoung receivers.

Touchdowns, 26th, 1st downs 29th

 

He is still  near the top in yards per reception, top 10.  His catch % so far is better than last season, 60%.

 

I expect that if one sets the parameters just right, you can manage to discern an impact no other player is having, but the above might suggest that there are quite a few receivers having a good impact.

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Beck Water

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

If he goes on to show consistency and reliability week to week the rest of the season then that is great.  But he hasn't been consistent in his first 3 years and he hasn't been consistent in the first 3 games.  So we are still waiting for that to happen.

Gabe's game is just not consistency. He's not a chain moving WR or a do it all WR like Diggs. He's a deep threat guy and not an elite deep threat at that so he's always going to be boom or bust. That's his skill set. He can't run the whole tree. He's going to have 4-5 catch 90 yard game, then turn around and have a 2 catch 20 yard game.

 

Expecting Gabe to suddenly become a more versatile player at this stage in the game is just a fool's hope.

 

Even in that pitiful end around Dorsey called, Gabe looked like he was running in quicksand. Not that it was his fault, that call was awful to start, but he ain't a "get the ball in his hands" type weapon.

[newcam2012]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

It should’ve been, with Gabe only under contract for 2 more seasons.

 

anyways, you don’t have to argue with me about WR being a need, argue with Beane who had to sign the corpses of John Brown and Beasley to give the WR room some juice last year. 

Harty and Sherfield certainly don't seem to be great pieces either. In short, the Bills WR core is not dynamic, explosive, or elite. Pretty disappointing thus far. 

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

 

 

Quite possibly.  I have no idea, guesswork at best.  But that's on him as to whether he'd rather stick around with Allen or go elsewhere for the money.  

 

Happens all the time in the NFL.  

 

All I know is that Davis is the best drafted WR we've had.  Beane's success at drafting WRs otherwise is abysmal.  And what, we're going to pay for a #2 (really another #1) in free agency otherwise, and end up with better?   

 

We'll see.  

 

 

I'd be surprised if Davis reaches those numbers. We will see 

 

I've seen enough to move on from Davis. The Bills need an upgrade for sure. The only way is advocate for keep Davis is on the cheap due WR3 pay. That's what he is.