Who else is in the let’s get Gabe Davis signed to an extension camp?

[gobills404]

9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

You know what they call a number 3 receiver masquerading as a number 2? 

 

They call them a number two. 

 

If  you can do the things a number two can - and Gabe absolutely does - you're a #2. And the people who call you a #3 are wrong.

 

Gabe is currently on track for 901 yards and 11.3 TDs. That would make him 27th in yards and put him in a four-way tie for 3rd in TDs if you put him into last year's rankings.

 

Now in reality three games isn't a big enough sample size. We don't really know how he'll do yet. Duh. But he's performing well.

 

He just is.

 

 

Gabe is an almost textbook example of a big bodied WR2. When people say he’s not and “we need a true #2 WR!!”, what they really mean is they want a second WR1.

[Warriorspikes51]

my opinion of Gabe seems to change on a play by play basis hahahaha 

[whorlnut]

6 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Gabe is an almost textbook example of a big bodied WR2. When people say he’s not and “we need a true #2 WR!!”, what they really mean is they want a second WR1.

And what is wrong with wanting that? This is a wide receiver centric offense. You act as if that’s a bad thing. 

[Thurman#1]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

has it struck you yet that he’s not getting the targets because Josh and Dorsey might like him less than you? 

 

to be an established WR2 on a team that runs a top 5-10 play volume (and passing volume) and be 66th in targets is in and of itself a red flag. 

 

 

If they liked him less than me, they could cut him from the team. They could make him inactive. They could sit him on the bench. They could just not throw to him.

 

The idea that him being 66th in targets is a red flag is ridiculous. They're throwing to him in such a way that he's OVER-producing for his targets. The idea they'd be angry or frustrated about that is flat-out nuts.

 

Instead, they've thrown him enough passes that he's 41st in yards and tied for 6th in TDs. That is a flag alright, but a very very green one.

 

He's number two in targets on the Bills, more than Kincaid, more than Knox, more than Cook.... Unsurprisingly, Diggs is number one. But we are an offense that has some good targets but likes to spread it around.

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, GustheDog33 said:

Love Wilson. He is like 6'6" and can run.  Let's get him!

Yeah this guy is really intriguing. Mike Evans 2.0?

[gobills404]

3 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

And what is wrong with wanting that? This is a wide receiver centric offense. You act as if that’s a bad thing. 

Nothing. I’d love another WR1 for Josh to throw to. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna make Gabe my whipping boy and spout “huurrrr durrrr Gabe is a WR3/4 he sucks” every week.

Edited September 28, 2023 by gobills404

[Jerry Jabber]

Just now, whorlnut said:

And what is wrong with wanting that? This is a wide receiver centric offense. You act as if that’s a bad thing. 

Agreed. If your #1 WR goes down due to injury, you need your #2 WR to step up and be able to produce.

 

If Diggs was injured and had to miss time, how many people would feel confident Davis could handle the load of being the Bills #1 WR?

[Thurman#1]

Just now, Jerry Jabber said:

Agreed. If your #1 WR goes down due to injury, you need your #2 WR to step up and be able to produce.

 

If Diggs was injured and had to miss time, how many people would feel confident Davis could handle the load of being the Bills #1 WR?

 

 

That doesn't really make sense. Nobody argues Davis is a #1.

 

Other than the three or four teams with two guys who have claims at being a #1, there really isn't a team that would get #1 production from their #2 consistently. I mean, that would be ideal, but it's not really realistic.

 

Practically what teams do when their #1 goes down is make it up by spreading it around more, everybody gets a few more. They don't just throw the extra five or six targets to the #2 guy.

[BananaB]

22 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

When you look at the guys who have YPCs close to Davis's, most of them are inconsistent. It's really hard to be inconsistent when you're catching longer balls. The QB is likely not to be able to be as accurate and things just get tougher. Catch/target ratios go down for guys who are getting thrown a lot of longer balls. And that's Davis.

 

It would be nice if we had a guy who could do everything well. But very few guys can, and those guys get paid like #1s. Very few teams have two of them. That's just the way it is. Gabe gets big plays, and that is a very very important and valuable skill.

 

 

 

 

 

Could you just point out where I said he was a burner?

 

I didn't. I did say that he does run past guys consistently. The reason I said that is because he does run past guys consistently. It's one of the reasons he often gets open deep.

 

I'm not going to argue the measurables. I'm arguing that he gets open deep, that he's effective and productive. He is. This is what makes him a very legit #2.

Dude he’s inconsistent catching every type of pass it got nothing to do with length of route.  

[SCBills]

I don't need Gabe to be a WR1a, but I need to see that he can win - consistently - on various types of routes.

 

I haven't seen that. 

 

He flirts with getting me to buy-in from time to time, but there's never consistency.   

 

So far.. he's a luxury high end WR3 with WR1 deep ball skills and elite blocking. That's too easy to gameplan for as the compliment to Diggs. 

 

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by SCBills

[NoSaint]

40 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

When you look at the guys who have YPCs close to Davis's, most of them are inconsistent. It's really hard to be inconsistent when you're catching longer balls. The QB is likely not to be able to be as accurate and things just get tougher. Catch/target ratios go down for guys who are getting thrown a lot of longer balls. And that's Davis.

 

It would be nice if we had a guy who could do everything well. But very few guys can, and those guys get paid like #1s. Very few teams have two of them. That's just the way it is. Gabe gets big plays, and that is a very very important and valuable skill.

 

 

 

 

 

Could you just point out where I said he was a burner?

 

I didn't. I did say that he does run past guys consistently. The reason I said that is because he does run past guys consistently. It's one of the reasons he often gets open deep.

 

I'm not going to argue the measurables. I'm arguing that he gets open deep, that he's effective and productive. He is. This is what makes him a very legit #2.

and I’m arguing that he’s been running past guys deep a lot less often since his big KC game because he’s not fast enough to be a consistent deep threat. 

[Jerry Jabber]

24 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

That doesn't really make sense. Nobody argues Davis is a #1.

 

Other than the three or four teams with two guys who have claims at being a #1, there really isn't a team that would get #1 production from their #2 consistently. I mean, that would be ideal, but it's not really realistic.

 

Practically what teams do when their #1 goes down is make it up by spreading it around more, everybody gets a few more. They don't just throw the extra five or six targets to the #2 guy.

Have to disagree. Your #2 WR should be able to run all the same routes as your #1 WR.

Most times, your #1 WR gets double covered, depending on how well the rest of the WR’s on the team are. If the rest of the WR’s are sub-par/mediocre, good luck trying to spread the ball around.

 

I don’t know about you, but I would love to have the caliber of top WR’s the Dolphins have with Waddle and Hill. If Allen had that type of caliber #2 WR, Allen could be leading the league in passing.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

34 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

If they liked him less than me, they could cut him from the team. They could make him inactive. They could sit him on the bench. They could just not throw to him.

 

The idea that him being 66th in targets is a red flag is ridiculous. They're throwing to him in such a way that he's OVER-producing for his targets. The idea they'd be angry or frustrated about that is flat-out nuts.

 

Instead, they've thrown him enough passes that he's 41st in yards and tied for 6th in TDs. That is a flag alright, but a very very green one.

 

He's number two in targets on the Bills, more than Kincaid, more than Knox, more than Cook.... Unsurprisingly, Diggs is number one. But we are an offense that has some good targets but likes to spread it around.

Isn't one of the options to rotate in Shakir or Sherfield? 

 

Is it Gabe at 0% snaps or 95% snaps only? 

The question to me is why he has to be on the field so much? 

I do think NoSaint is right, he's on the field all the time and is still a one trick pony. 

He can't change direction, he runs two routes, he drops the ball, he's not getting faster. Nice player for the 4th Round, but at minimum, not sure why we have to be beholden to Gabe. 

[NoSaint]

27 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

If they liked him less than me, they could cut him from the team. They could make him inactive. They could sit him on the bench. They could just not throw to him.

 

The idea that him being 66th in targets is a red flag is ridiculous. They're throwing to him in such a way that he's OVER-producing for his targets. The idea they'd be angry or frustrated about that is flat-out nuts.

 

Instead, they've thrown him enough passes that he's 41st in yards and tied for 6th in TDs. That is a flag alright, but a very very green one.

 

He's number two in targets on the Bills, more than Kincaid, more than Knox, more than Cook.... Unsurprisingly, Diggs is number one. But we are an offense that has some good targets but likes to spread it around.

“if they don’t like him they could cut him or make him inactive or not throw to him”

 

as a wr2 -ie top 64 wr- that he is down at 66 in targets on a passing offense that is top 10 in plays run and passes thrown might indicate to you that they are limiting their play design to him. They aren’t scheming up gabe, they are letting people forget gabe. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Isn't one of the options to rotate in Shakir or Sherfield? 

 

Is it Gabe at 0% snaps or 95% snaps only? 

The question to me is why he has to be on the field so much? 

I do think NoSaint is right, he's on the field all the time and is still a one trick pony. 

He can't change direction, he runs two routes, he drops the ball, he's not getting faster. Nice player for the 4th Round, but at minimum, not sure why we have to be beholden to Gabe. 

He’s also our blocking WR so that’s why he hardly ever comes off the field. 
 

I think if they were forced to play another WR in his role we’d find out just how replaceable he is.

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Have to disagree. Your #2 WR should be able to run all the same routes as your #1 WR.

Most times, your #1 WR gets double covered, depending on how well the rest of the WR’s on the team are. If the rest of the WR’s are sub-par/mediocre, good luck trying to spread the ball around.

 

I don’t know about you, but I would love to have the caliber of top WR’s the Dolphins have with Waddle and Hill. If Allen had that type of caliber #2 WR, Allen could be leading the league in passing.

ultimately, at what moment does anyone here say “it’s gabe Davis time”

 

he’s the deep threat that can’t outrun guys

 

hes the big body that isn’t a reliable 3rd down move the chains target 

 

he’s not a bum that doesn’t belong in the league but he’s kind of a tweener that’s not particularly good at any identifiable role or skill set 

[Matt_In_NH]

I'm in the let's let this play out and if someone wants to pay him >15M then let them camp.  Draft a guy, sign a vet for a year if needed.  You don't have to sign every guy to big contracts and in the case of Gabe, he is so hot and cold, they can probably do better with a lesser contract.   BUt I love the guy...

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Thing is, it takes more than you capitalizing the word "ARE" to make a statement true. They are not deficient.

 

If they were deficient, he couldn't do the job, and yet he can and does. Well enough that pretty much everyone agrees that he's likely to get a contact in the eight figures per year range. 

 

He could be better, as could everyone, really. But he's not deficient.

If true, this would tell me the Bills aren’t serious about improving their offense like the Dolphins are…They will always be limited so long as Davis is the #2…And with Diggs getting older and slower, the Bills are simply going to need more speed…

 

Just look at what Cook’s speed is doing for the run game…Now imagine the upgrade to the WR room that speed would bring…👍

 

Gabe Davis is the “Devin Singleterry” of WRs…

 

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by JaCrispy

[BADOLBILZ]

27 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

That doesn't really make sense. Nobody argues Davis is a #1.

 

Other than the three or four teams with two guys who have claims at being a #1, there really isn't a team that would get #1 production from their #2 consistently. I mean, that would be ideal, but it's not really realistic.

 

Practically what teams do when their #1 goes down is make it up by spreading it around more, everybody gets a few more. They don't just throw the extra five or six targets to the #2 guy.

 

SF, Miami, Philadelphia, Cinci and Seattle all clearly have two dynamic WR1 talents as their second receiver.   That's 5 indisputable examples not 3.  There are a bunch of other teams that have have two WR1 talents when both are healthy or if the QB play is even adequate.   Some of them even have WR3's that could be fringe WR1's like Cinci with Boyd and Seattle with JSN.  

 

The Bills are not one of these teams.   They have a very clear WR1 and a big drop-off to Gabe as a WR3 talent with clear limitations.

 

So to imply that it's "unrealistic" to have a WR1 level talent opposite your primary target is not so.........it's closer to a 25% scenario than "unrealistic" and most of the teams that have such setups are SB contenders.  

 

Why you choose to look like a fool on hills like this and those of Star Lotulelei and Tremaine Edmunds etc.. is a curiosity.

[whorlnut]

56 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Nothing. I’d love another WR1 for Josh to throw to. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna make Gabe my whipping boy and spout “huurrrr durrrr Gabe is a WR3/4 he sucks” every week.

Good for you

52 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

That doesn't really make sense. Nobody argues Davis is a #1.

 

Other than the three or four teams with two guys who have claims at being a #1, there really isn't a team that would get #1 production from their #2 consistently. I mean, that would be ideal, but it's not really realistic.

 

Practically what teams do when their #1 goes down is make it up by spreading it around more, everybody gets a few more. They don't just throw the extra five or six targets to the #2 guy.

You’re missing the point. This is a wr centric offense. Yea the bills went and got Kincaid, but over the course of Allen’s career, he makes his hay by throwing to WRs. Having another top option if Diggs goes down minimizes the opportunity that his offense would sputter.