Should the “Bills Mafia” make the wall of fame or is it covered by the 12th man?

[NC-billsfan!]

I was watching local coverage of training camp and they mentioned how great the Bills Mafia were. Sean mentioned that it was really important for the young guys to get that exposure and see how they respond with fans in the house. Is the 12th man different than Bills Mafia or is it just an updated more specific name for our fans? Should it’s be reflected on the wall of fame? 

Edited August 10, 2023 by NC-billsfan!

[ChevyVanMiller]

I think that they are referencing the exact same people. With that said, 12th Man is generic, and Bills Mafia has become known worldwide, and is fully embraced by not only the players on the team, but the team itself.

 

I would be in favor of them changing the 12th Man to Bills Mafia on the Wall of Fame 

[NC-billsfan!]

That’s what I was thinking. The 12th man is pretty generic, but not sure if it’s ok to take down the 12th man. Wonder what the plans are for the new stadium?

[I'm Spartacus]

Don't mess with the 12th Man. It was the original fandom moniker and they "willed" some Bills victories over visiting teams. Broke NFL attendance records for 2nd smallest market. Seattle stole the name from us too.

[RiotAct]

47 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

That’s what I was thinking. The 12th man is pretty generic, but not sure if it’s ok to take down the 12th man. Wonder what the plans are for the new stadium?

every player on the wall replaced by “O.J. SIMPSON”.

[I'm Spartacus]

Also, we didn't need that stupid train noise to get the fans motivated. The 12th man was as loud as a mother, without that goofy fan stimulus to get us rocking 

[BillsPride12]

37 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Don't mess with the 12th Man. It was the original fandom moniker and they "willed" some Bills victories over visiting teams. Broke NFL attendance records for 2nd smallest market. Seattle stole the name from us too.

Exactly.  Removing the 12th Man would be like tearing down a part of Bills history 

[The Jokeman]

53 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

That’s what I was thinking. The 12th man is pretty generic, but not sure if it’s ok to take down the 12th man. Wonder what the plans are for the new stadium?

Honestly I hope they lose the ring of honor, as if they keep it and OJ some how stays on people will b!tch, if they change 12th Man to Bills Mafia people will b!tch etc. etc.

[Nextmanup]

It's the same thing.

 

 

[The Wiz]

51 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Don't mess with the 12th Man. It was the original fandom moniker and they "willed" some Bills victories over visiting teams. Broke NFL attendance records for 2nd smallest market. Seattle stole the name from us too.

To be fair, Texas A & M had it before the bills did so we stole it too.

[I'm Spartacus]

All right, ALL RIGHT.....🙂

[NC-billsfan!]

1 hour ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Don't mess with the 12th Man. It was the original fandom moniker and they "willed" some Bills victories over visiting teams. Broke NFL attendance records for 2nd smallest market. Seattle stole the name from us too.

Agreed, like you I’m the 12th man. I was in the stadium with you. I was an 8 year old when Leopold? Ended Miami’ s ten year streak. I feel like they might be two separate entities which is weird. I’ve been to epic games, goal post games, that’s the 12th man. I thin Bills Mafia is something different, something that evolved from the the 12th man.

[Saxum]

2 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

I think that they are referencing the exact same people. With that said, 12th Man is generic, and Bills Mafia has become known worldwide, and is fully embraced by not only the players on the team, but the team itself.

 

I would be in favor of them changing the 12th Man to Bills Mafia on the Wall of Fame 

 

Bills Mafia is the commercial version of Bills fandom which had been going on for years.

Many fans are not comfortable being incorporated.

 

Put it on video board like other ads.

[scuba guy]

I think the 12th man came about for various reasons.

One the I can think of also is the game where the ref asked the crowd to quite down so they could here the play calls, and the ref said we will give the bills a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty.  Which there is no rule for.  The crowd got quite for a second then got louder than ever.  Ref asked for quite again and the crowd got so loud they just continued.  The players were clapping 👏 at the crowd.  

It was during the Kelly years.  Someone here will remember that game.

I just remember when I got home

E I could not here much for 3 days.

[Beast]

7 minutes ago, scuba guy said:

I think the 12th man came about for various reasons.

One the I can think of also is the game where the ref asked the crowd to quite down so they could here the play calls, and the ref said we will give the bills a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty.  Which there is no rule for.  The crowd got quite for a second then got louder than ever.  Ref asked for quite again and the crowd got so loud they just continued.  The players were clapping 👏 at the crowd.  

It was during the Kelly years.  Someone here will remember that game.

I just remember when I got home

E I could not here much for 3 days.

Denver comeback game. Elway was clearly bothered by it and subsequently fumbled an exchange inside his own 5 yard line and the Bills recovered it.

[BBFL]

Fans are fans. There is reference and commemoration of all fans under the “12th player/man”… Bills Mafia is encompassed within that. 

Can’t see the need to differentiate between groups of people who share the same, albeit different severity of, passion. 

Edited August 11, 2023 by BBFL

[Xwnyer]

the 12th man covers it fine

[Captain Hindsight]

12 hours ago, I'm Spartacus said:

Also, we didn't need that stupid train noise to get the fans motivated. The 12th man was as loud as a mother, without that goofy fan stimulus to get us rocking 

Amtrak is a sponser, hence the train noise 

[Royale with Cheese]

I think you can have some sort of BillsMafia sign/statue/wall inside the stadium but leave the Wall of Fame as the 12th man.

[Matt_In_NH]

12th man was used more commonly in the 80's and 90's, it obviously refers to the fans in the stands on gamedays.  Bills Mafia is the fan base in general as it is known today.   I could see an argument for it but meh whatever.