Trade Candidates?

[TBBills Fan]

On 8/10/2023 at 9:12 AM, ddaryl said:

 

 

 He still has value in the rotation and he is on a rookie contract, no I would not even consider trading him. UNLESS the deal is too goods to be true

Agree. We would regret that trade down the line

[gonzo1105]

Elam is going to get traded so they might as well do it now while there is still value and teams think they can develop him. 
 

Always thought he was going to bust and is a bad schematic fit on top but I still think in man he won’t be a great corner in the NFL 

[Rico]

24 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Elam is going to get traded so they might as well do it now while there is still value and teams think they can develop him. 
 

Always thought he was going to bust and is a bad schematic fit on top but I still think in man he won’t be a great corner in the NFL 

Way too soon. #1 & 2 CBs next year could very well be Elam and Dane, no guarantee Tre is still on the team in 2024.

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Rico said:

Way too soon. #1 & 2 CBs next year could very well be Elam and Dane, no guarantee Tre is still on the team in 2024.

 

And Dane isn't under contract for 2024. Could be Elam and Benford.

[NC-billsfan!]

16 minutes ago, Rico said:

Way too soon. #1 & 2 CBs next year could very well be Elam and Dane, no guarantee Tre is still on the team in 2024.

Why would you say that? He’s signed until 2025. Just curious, do you think we will trade or cut him? Cheers.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

Why would you say that? He’s signed until 2025. Just curious, do you think we will trade or cut him? Cheers.

 

If Tre isn't back to something like himself they will cut him after 2023. He can save them up to $10m in space.

[NC-billsfan!]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Tre isn't back to something like himself they will cut him after 2023. He can save them up to $10m in space.

Gotcha? Yeah I have a different take, seems he’s back by all accounts. I think he took a year to trust his knee. I had a knee injury and it took a long time not to think about it. I think he’s a lock.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

They’re playing the long game with Elam. He can start now but Dane Jackson has less mistakes. Elam will start at some point. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

Gotcha? Yeah I have a different take, seems he’s back by all accounts. I think he took a year to trust his knee. I had a knee injury and it took a long time not to think about it. I think he’s a lock.

 

If he is back to anything close to his best he is a lock. Fingers crossed that is the case.

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

Way too soon. #1 & 2 CBs next year could very well be Elam and Dane, no guarantee Tre is still on the team in 2024.

You may think that but I didn’t think he was great in college and he played man there predominantly. It’s clear McDermott and staff don’t trust him. 
 

It doesn’t matter what the depth looks like if the coaching staff can’t trust him on the field. He wouldn’t be a starter still in that scenario unless his game is severely elevated and I don’t see it happening. 

[Rico]

53 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

Why would you say that? He’s signed until 2025. Just curious, do you think we will trade or cut him? Cheers.

Cap casualty if they need $ and there isn’t much drop-off between the other CBs and him.

10 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

You may think that but I didn’t think he was great in college and he played man there predominantly. It’s clear McDermott and staff don’t trust him. 
 

It doesn’t matter what the depth looks like if the coaching staff can’t trust him on the field. He wouldn’t be a starter still in that scenario unless his game is severely elevated and I don’t see it happening. 

You may be right, I’m just not ready to write him off yet. We’ll see.

[stinky finger]

7 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

You may think that but I didn’t think he was great in college and he played man there predominantly. It’s clear McDermott and staff don’t trust him. 
 

It doesn’t matter what the depth looks like if the coaching staff can’t trust him on the field. He wouldn’t be a starter still in that scenario unless his game is severely elevated and I don’t see it happening. 

 

Trading Elam, a 1st rounder,  prior to his 2nd season would be quite an indictment on BB.

 

Elam isn't getting traded. 

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They’re playing the long game with Elam. He can start now but Dane Jackson has less mistakes. Elam will start at some point. 

Elam was extremely good last year in the playoffs.  

[John from Riverside]

All signs lead to boogie

[4merper4mer]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Tre isn't back to something like himself they will cut him after 2023. He can save them up to $10m in space.

IMO he will be fine and isn’t going anywhere.  He seemed extremely upbeat on the sideline yesterday and the guy is an absolute pro.

[BBFL]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Tre isn't back to something like himself they will cut him after 2023. He can save them up to $10m in space.

Do you think if the play quality from his return onward becomes a continuation this year, they try and trade him before value completely diminishes?

Or do you feel he has to just completely bomb to move on?

He’s a fan favorite but hanging onto players who just aren’t performing in a pivotal and vital role isn’t a recipe for success. 

[BillsShredder83]

On 8/10/2023 at 10:12 PM, noacls said:

Phillips: can't stay healthy 

Basham: underperformed 

Shaq: crowded deep DE pool

Could see 2 of the 3 being gone

Phillips should be used lightly in rotation until big division conference games, and then playoffs. he is absolutely the type of player you want in the playoffs coming in with a hot hand!  healthy hes a mini chris jones!

 

also, thankfully, i dont think Beane is in the camp of dealing a rd2 pick after only 2 seasons. cheap talent, with high upside. you develop a guy like that. let lawson go, but im not willing to voluntarily get weaker/more shallow in the trenches, especially DTs with potential to create pressure up the middle. WAY to valuable IMO 

 

if we cant develop guys like AJ & Boogie, then its a DL coach problem as much as its a player problem. always be developing, keep the pipeline loaded.... an absolute MUST as a team this good

Edited August 14, 2023 by BillsShredder83

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, BBFL said:

Do you think if the play quality from his return onward becomes a continuation this year, they try and trade him before value completely diminishes?

Or do you feel he has to just completely bomb to move on?

He’s a fan favorite but hanging onto players who just aren’t performing in a pivotal and vital role isn’t a recipe for success. 

i have no evidence, but gut feeling if he were to look bad enough this year to be a trade candidate, i could see him just hanging the cleats up.  strikes me as one of those retire at 28-29 if hes not playing well/having a blast anymore

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, BBFL said:

Do you think if the play quality from his return onward becomes a continuation this year, they try and trade him before value completely diminishes?

Or do you feel he has to just completely bomb to move on?

He’s a fan favorite but hanging onto players who just aren’t performing in a pivotal and vital role isn’t a recipe for success. 

 

They could. Would have to look at the deal to work how attractive a trade prospect he is for other teams.

Edited August 14, 2023 by GunnerBill

[Doc Brown]

10 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Elam is going to get traded so they might as well do it now while there is still value and teams think they can develop him. 
 

Always thought he was going to bust and is a bad schematic fit on top but I still think in man he won’t be a great corner in the NFL 

I'd do it for a first round pick and their playbook so he can study it on the plane.

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If Tre isn't back to something like himself they will cut him after 2023. He can save them up to $10m in space.

Which is why trading Elam is ludicrous (barring an unlikely first round pick offer) when we'd still have him for at least two more years on a cost controlled rookie deal if we do cut bait with Tre.