Interesting NY Post article…claims Kincaid was Beane’s target days before the draft…

[Nephilim17]

11 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Doing deals to trade UP, and giving up assets in the process, in order to get "that 1 guy that you really like" is fundamentally BAD BUSINESS and not how to proceed, long term.

 

Beane likes doing this, which is one of his few weak points.

 

We'll hopefully find out what Kincaid is about this year, assuming McDermott will play him a ton, which he should.

 

 

 

Trading a low 4th rounder to get an elite pass catcher who could be a perennial pro bowler is not bad business. I think Kincaid will be a 1,000-yard player next season. All account from camp reinforce the idea that this can runs great routes and has amazing and consistent hands. You'll see within a couple months how much his presence improves Josh and the offense. 

[Since1981]

On a very good roster 4,5,6 rounders might not make the team. Use the picks to get a better round 1. Beane targeted a pass catcher in round one. I still believe he promised during 14/17 restructures. Beane had to jump to Kincaid as the other catchers were being scooped up.

[That's No Moon]

17 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

 

Did the article mention Beane was at Tempo having dinner with @BADOLBILZ, @Einstein and @ScottLaw when this went down?

 

 

George Seifert drove them all to the restaurant.

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Given that Beane was looking for a pass catcher in Rd1, imo he would have picked say Addison over Kincaid if both were available. And said the exact same thing he is saying about Kincaid

But now looking back and seeing the mismatches Kincaid will cause, is Addison the better pick? At best he is battling Davis for #2 duties and based on everything said about Davis during training camp he would not have won that battle. So there would be 50 threads on how bad Addison is 

[Richard Noggin]

18 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

 

Did the article mention Beane was at ANGELINE having dinner with @BADOLBILZ, @Einstein and @ScottLaw when this went down?

 

 

 

The obligatory FIFY

[GETTOTHE50]

I don’t get how he dropped still when having a top 5 tight end is the ultimate mismatch in todays NFL. 

[Richard Noggin]

For what it's worth (almost nothing) my pre-draft mock draft simulations very consistently presented me with Dalton Kincaid as the best offensive weapon who slid to our pick (or within justifiable range of our pick in a trade-up scenario). Prior to those couple weeks of late-night mock draft simulations, I didn't know much about Kincaid (beyond some smallish school intrigue compounded by no pre-draft workout metrics due to a back injury). 

 

It's probably searchable, my various shared mock drafts, but I'm somewhat certain that I picked Kincaid more often than many others who shared their own drafts. Sometimes people are just really good at football, and the pre-draft underwear olympics economy doesn't generate much engagement pointing out such unquantifiably positive opinions. 

 

Kincaid is the closest thing to Kelce (the TE) we've seen in recent memory, innit?

[Solomon Grundy]

18 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said:

I’m sure they didn’t which is why they made the deal originally. 
 

But at the end of the day you have to do what’s best for your team at the draft. 

I'm just glad Beane had a backup plan. I'm done with Schoen and the Giants

[GunnerBill]

I don't think they were laser focussed in on Kincaid. I think they had 3 pass catchers they'd have taken. But he ended up the last one on the board and was within shooting distance. I do think it is two years in a row though when they have gone into the first round saying "we gotta have X." Was a receiver in 2023, a corner in 2022. I don't love it as a mindset. Though I do like Kincaid and think he has a chance to be a solid player here for a long time. 

[Whkfc]

Beane also said it on Pete Shragers podcast. Another comment he made that I found interesting was how the Bills liked Washington quarterback Sam Howell when he came out. 

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, and it's clear that he wanted Kincaid more than any of the receivers that went in the early 20s. 

 

I don't see anything new in the Giants story, myself, at least not from the Bills perspective. He's gone over this in Imbedded and a few other places.

 

Surprised me, earlier, that he would've traded back rather than pick Nolan Smith. I liked him. But Beane is smarter and better at this than I would be, though that doesn't make him right every time. So far, picking Kincaid looks like a terrific decision.

 

I’d be very disappointed in Beane if he wanted Kincaid more than any of the WRs that went before him, particularly JSN. 

[Airseven]

I don’t buy this. I’m sure GMs develop hypothetical trade scenarios with their buddies. It’s part of the job. But Beane targeting a TE is a stretch. That run on WRs was no coincidence.

[AuntieEm]

On 8/10/2023 at 6:36 AM, eball said:

The article is linked on the TBD news page.  Apparently the Giants and Bills had a deal in place to trade picks because Beane really wanted Kincaid, but Schoen nixed it on draft night to trade up and get their guy, and Beane had to then scramble to do a deal with Tampa (edit: Jacksonville) and jump ahead of Dallas (whom everyone knew wanted a TE).

 

Anyway, I found it interesting that Kincaid was Beane’s target

 

all along…

 

 

 

   Makes sense given the Giants FO has close ties with the Bills and it was gonna keep Kincaid away from their division rival Cowboys.  

[Fan in Chicago]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't think they were laser focussed in on Kincaid. I think they had 3 pass catchers they'd have taken. But he ended up the last one on the board and was within shooting distance. I do think it is two years in a row though when they have gone into the first round saying "we gotta have X." Was a receiver in 2023, a corner in 2022. I don't love it as a mindset. Though I do like Kincaid and think he has a chance to be a solid player here for a long time. 

As a draft philosophy, I agree not to focus on the position. But McBeane prioritizing O this year was the right thing to do. I would have been fine if they would have flip flopped the positions drafted in Rd 1 and 2 if the draft fell that way. Also, Kincaid was not picked at their original draft position but via a small move up - which means they didnt draft just any pass catcher who was available at their own draft position. It just so happened that a BPA at position of need was available very close to their pick position. Which is fine, imo. 

Edited August 11, 2023 by Fan in Chicago

[AuntieEm]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

 

I’d be very disappointed in Beane if he wanted Kincaid more than any of the WRs that went before him, particularly JSN. 

 

   I don't know if I'd be so shocked.  We have a good scouting department.  And for perspective on how sure a need Kincaid was in his college career ...  138 targets only 2 drops which is over a 98% catch rate.  This from a guy who only started playing organized football of any kind  as a Jr in hs.  He only started playing football the same time Dawson Knox has been playing for the Bills.  Don't know the college career catch rates of any of the top wrs drafted this year, but I'm pretty sure very few top college receivers have a catch rate that high  and I'm talking any wr, even those already in the HoF.  I don't even think Kincaid is gonna maintain that rate as a pro, however it does appear he's always been surehanded catching passes.  

And I can see the Bills scouts taking that into consideration as well as being a nice variation to a top wr.  He's taller and he won't draw the opponents top cb even if he starts out on fire don't think any team will take their top cb off Diggs or even Davis. Who is the tallest of any of the better cbs in the league?  Most are in the 6' to maybe 6' 2"??? Josh can toss throws higher to a tall surehanded pass catchers.

 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't think they were laser focussed in on Kincaid. I think they had 3 pass catchers they'd have taken. But he ended up the last one on the board and was within shooting distance. I do think it is two years in a row though when they have gone into the first round saying "we gotta have X." Was a receiver in 2023, a corner in 2022. I don't love it as a mindset. Though I do like Kincaid and think he has a chance to be a solid player here for a long time. 

 

This is what I'm thinking.  Prior to the draft you don't know what player will be available and Beane might have thought that Kincaid would have been gone well before the 24th pick.

 

But for a team looking to get to the SB and win it, going for need, as long as it's not a reach, is a good idea.

[Solomon Grundy]

6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

For what it's worth (almost nothing) my pre-draft mock draft simulations very consistently presented me with Dalton Kincaid as the best offensive weapon who slid to our pick (or within justifiable range of our pick in a trade-up scenario). Prior to those couple weeks of late-night mock draft simulations, I didn't know much about Kincaid (beyond some smallish school intrigue compounded by no pre-draft workout metrics due to a back injury). 

 

It's probably searchable, my various shared mock drafts, but I'm somewhat certain that I picked Kincaid more often than many others who shared their own drafts. Sometimes people are just really good at football, and the pre-draft underwear olympics economy doesn't generate much engagement pointing out such unquantifiably positive opinions. 

 

Kincaid is the closest thing to Kelce (the TE) we've seen in recent memory, innit?

I was thinking a healthy Darren Waller. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Fan in Chicago said:

As a draft philosophy, I agree not to focus on the position. But McBeane prioritizing O this year was the right thing to do. I would have been fine if they would have flip flopped the positions drafted in Rd 1 and 2 if the draft fell that way. Also, Kincaid was not picked at their original draft position but via a small move up - which means they didnt draft just any pass catcher who was available at their own draft position. It just happened that a BPA at position of need was available very close to their pick position. Which is fine, imo. 

 

But the problem when you start justifying decisions in isolation is you can make a case why each and every decision is sensible "at the time". That is why strategy matters. I am not displeased with the outcome, but when you start saying to yourself "we must have a pass catcher" or "we must have X guy" you set yourself up to make mistakes. My point was never to say that they were just going to take any old receiver... but the fact that they lasered in so much on a pass catcher means you start saying things like "it makes sense to give up a 4th." And again, I'm not displeased with this outcome. But strategically giving up your 4th rounder two years in a row to make small moves up because you have said positions are that vital to you isn't the way I'd try and run my personnel operation. 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

George Seifert drove them all to the restaurant.

 

 

This part is false.

[That's No Moon]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

This part is false.

It can't be, my buddy saw him at the rental car counter at the airport.