If Kincaid can fill the slot role of this team...

[quinnearlysghost88]

I think you get the most out of Kincaid lining up as a te vs LBs and safeties. Find a quick slot wr to own that spot and let kincaid and Knox feast off mismatches. 

Edited August 9, 2023 by quinnearlysghost88

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Kincaid is a rookie.

 

If he gets 500 yards and 5 tds that will a successful season.

 

Let's not get carried away

[boyst]

4 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

Lol Josh is gonna use all his weapons and Knox and Gabe Kincais and shorter are all tall receivers and Josh us gonna put passes up high to the big guys so they will have a play while the shorter dbs just get to watch Josh pass against them with ease.

I hope you are right 

[jethro_tull]

8 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

I want to get excited about the Kincaid prospects but am turning down expectations for the kid

 

still think he will be a threat but my expectation is not 1,000 yards that’s for sure

 

im still thinking maybe 500 probably +/- 150 yards either way

 

not because he couldn’t do more but becuase I’m not sure how much Dorsey will actually dial him up 

My expectations are high because Kincaid has the ability to exploit LB matchups, create separation and is sure handed enough to make the catch.  

If he gets open, Josh will find him even if he isn't the primary target.  

I expect our TOP and red zone scoring stats will improve.  

[BillsShredder83]

9 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

What I like is the versatility.   There's a role for a Beasley-type quick little guy in the slot, a guy who can separate from man coverage with raw quickness and change of direction.   That's a different kind of threat.   Kincaid is a Kelce-type threat in the slot, a guy who offers a big target in the open spaces in the zone.  

 

If Dorsey does it right, that will be times when Kincaid and a small slot guy are in the huddle at the same time.   If, for example, Shakir can be that slot guy, and he also can play wideout, when they're both in the huddle the defense has a real problem.   A formation with Kincaid wide and Shakir in the slot poses completely different problems for the defense than one with Kincaid in the slot and Shakir wide.   The same, maybe even better, with Kincaid on the field with Harty or Sherfield.  

 

If Kincaid is as good as he seems to be, based on camp reports, the versatility of the 11 guys on the field for the Bills will be amazing.   Think about it:   The #1 wideout is top 5 in the league, and a matchup nightmare.  The #2 wideout threatens all over the field, depending on whether it's Davis, Sherfield, Shakir, or who knows, maybe Shorter.   The slot guy threatens the middle of the field - I mean, if Kincaid can be a threat anything at all like Kelce, it would be amazing.   The running back looks like a serious three-down back who can be great in the passing game.   And the quarterback is both a great thrower and a legitimate running threat.   The Eagles might be the only offense in the league with such high-level threats throughout their entire lineup.  

Curious, what are the differences between Kink out wide and Shakir in slot, and vice versa, if you're a defense?

[ColoradoBills]

41 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

Kincaid is a rookie.

 

If he gets 500 yards and 5 tds that will a successful season.

 

Let's not get carried away

 

Those stats would be fine with me.  It's about how many drives are maintained with his play that will prove his worth this season.

I want to see that 3rd and 7 picked up.

 

Having that threat underneath could also make some over the top plays work against one-on-one coverage.

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

If Dorsey can keep from putting his head up his ass this offense has the potential to be the best in franchise history and rival the best all-time in the NFL.  

 

 

I wouldn't go that far. That's a stretch. The K Gun offense was ridiculously good. Thurman was virtually unstoppable. No one on this team comes close to him. That oline puts this year's oline to shame. 

 

This offense can be damn good. Top 5 in the league no doubt. The real question is can they produce in the playoffs vs other elite teams? 

 

There are some concerns with the offense too. Oline, besides Diggs the WR core lacks eliteness. Can Cook step up? Harris stay healthy. Is there a rookie curve for Kincaid? Lastly, what kind of Dorsey do the Bills get on offensive play calling? 

 

The money in the bag is Allen. He alone likely makes the offense a top 10 offense at minimum. He gives the Bills many wins and a likely playoff birth. He's just that good. A little more support by others and the Bills can go further. That includes solid coaching as well. Something that's been lacking come playoff time. 

Edited August 10, 2023 by newcam2012

[Chaos]

Real question, has Kincaid lined up in the slot at all during training camp? 

[BillsShredder83]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Does Vegas have an over/under on how many games the little fella plays? The under would be very tempting. 

Lol oof that'd be a funny one to see. I don't think they do.

 

I am putting in a long shot bet on Tua this year though. Just for fun, but I like Tua for CBPOTY at +2000.

I think (like everyone) Hamlin gets it pretty easily, but at 20 to 1, I could see a scenario where Hamlin ends up on PS, or even ends up retiring. 

 

I dunno If they'd give it to someone on a PS, and in that case I think Tua puts $500 in my pocket lol and if that hits I decided I'm puttiing it all on red 2x's lol .......don't everyone inbox me all at once for more financial tips

 

[PBF81]

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I wouldn't go that far. That's a stretch. The K Gun offense was ridiculously good. Thurman was virtually unstoppable. No one on this team comes close to him. That oline puts this year's oline to shame. 

 

Again, I probably should have defined things, but I meant strictly in terms of scoring.   

 

This team has already done that in 2020, putting up 43 more points than Kelly's best team did.  I don't see why we cannot beat that this season.  We'd need to average 31.3 PPG to  achieve that.  Denver holds the record for most points in a season with 606 in 2013, so if we can manage 38 PPG we could beat that.  Here's the thing, 2020 was Allen's first season coming out.  Our receivers were Diggs in his first season with Allen, Beasley, Davis as a rookie, and Brown, McKenzie if you want to include him.  Knox was in his second season and posted his worst season of the four he's been here.  Then we had Knox/Kroft.  Now we have Knox/Kincaid.  HUGE difference there.  

 

Now we have Diggs after three seasons with Allen, Davis in his fourth season, Harty, Shakir, Shorter, and Knox and Kincaid.  I'll take that last batch with their experience over the prior batch.  

 

We also had Singletary in his second season, also his worst, and and Moss.  Advantage goes to Cook/Harris.  

 

 

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

This offense can be damn good. Top 5 in the league no doubt. The real question is can they produce in the playoffs vs other elite teams? 

 

No question, I'll be disappointed if we're not 1 or 2, and honestly, IMO if we can't beat the Chiefs out with Kelce at 34 and a bunch of mediocre to average WRs that they have, then it'll be a travesty.  We were 2nd in PPG and would have been 2nd in Yards had we not missed a game, behind KC in both instances.  If we're not 1st or 2nd then something's seriously wrong, whether it be an injury situation or Dorsey not cutting it.  

 

Of our last four playoff games the past two seasons we have produced in three of the four, obviously the Cincy game was horrific, but we at this point should write that off as what it was following what had occurred.  Let's simply leave it at that in a "not crying over spilled milk" kinda way.  But see above if we skunk the playoffs again.  Our problem in the playoffs has been our #1 and #2 D playing like a 25th ranked D therein.  Not the offense.  

 

 

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

There are some concerns with the offense too. Oline, besides Diggs the WR core lacks eliteness. Can Cook step up? Harris stay healthy. Is there a rookie curve for Kincaid? Lastly, what kind of Dorsey do the Bills get on offensive play calling? 

 

Completely agree too, and agree with the above, the Kelly-era OL puts this one to shame, but stay up on that, Torrence and McGovern should do wonders for us.  Right now it appears that we have average or average-plus players in four OL spots.  Obviously Brown is a huge questionmark.  

 

And yes, the WR-ing core lacks "eliteness," but all we need is five solid WRs.  Beasley wasn't "elite."  Davis was a rookie.  Brown, ... average on a good day.  We shouldn't and don't need three all-pro WRs to make it go.  We didn't three seasons ago when we finished a mere 8 points, or 1/2 PPG behind Green Bay in scoring, and look at their WRs that season.  Their second best WR was Valdez-Scantling, an incredibly mediocre WR that finished with 690 yards and 6 TDs.  Unimpressive.  

 

We can easily do better.  Again, hinges on Dorsey and luck with injuries, OL playing better than it has, not even necessarily like a top-5 OL, just notably better than what we've had.  

 

Agree on Cook/Harris, but again, it's a passing league primarily, so how Kincaid plays will also factor in heavily.  

 

I see us being the best offense in the AFC easily.  I see KC dropping down a few spots.  Kelce can't do everything.  We should get a good glimpse as to how good Mahomes is with a mediocre/average cast of WRs apart from Kelce.  

 

 

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

The money in the bag is Allen. He alone likely makes the offense a top 10 offense at minimum. He gives the Bills many wins and a likely playoff birth. He's just that good. A little more support by others and the Bills can go further. That includes solid coaching as well. Something that's been lacking come playoff time. 

 

I'd say top-5.  

 

Agree otherwise, but if Allen & Dorsey sync, then buckle up and prepare yourself for some broken records!!!!  

 

GO BILLS!!!!  

 

 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Top 5 in the league no doubt

Why do you expect them to regress from last years #2 offense?

[newcam2012]

41 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Why do you expect them to regress from last years #2 offense?

Top 5 still includes # 1 or # 2. 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

Again, I probably should have defined things, but I meant strictly in terms of scoring.   

 

This team has already done that in 2020, putting up 43 more points than Kelly's best team did.  I don't see why we cannot beat that this season.  We'd need to average 31.3 PPG to  achieve that.  Denver holds the record for most points in a season with 606 in 2013, so if we can manage 38 PPG we could beat that.  Here's the thing, 2020 was Allen's first season coming out.  Our receivers were Diggs in his first season with Allen, Beasley, Davis as a rookie, and Brown, McKenzie if you want to include him.  Knox was in his second season and posted his worst season of the four he's been here.  Then we had Knox/Kroft.  Now we have Knox/Kincaid.  HUGE difference there.  

 

Now we have Diggs after three seasons with Allen, Davis in his fourth season, Harty, Shakir, Shorter, and Knox and Kincaid.  I'll take that last batch with their experience over the prior batch.  

 

We also had Singletary in his second season, also his worst, and and Moss.  Advantage goes to Cook/Harris.  

 

 

 

No question, I'll be disappointed if we're not 1 or 2, and honestly, IMO if we can't beat the Chiefs out with Kelce at 34 and a bunch of mediocre to average WRs that they have, then it'll be a travesty.  We were 2nd in PPG and would have been 2nd in Yards had we not missed a game, behind KC in both instances.  If we're not 1st or 2nd then something's seriously wrong, whether it be an injury situation or Dorsey not cutting it.  

 

Of our last four playoff games the past two seasons we have produced in three of the four, obviously the Cincy game was horrific, but we at this point should write that off as what it was following what had occurred.  Let's simply leave it at that in a "not crying over spilled milk" kinda way.  But see above if we skunk the playoffs again.  Our problem in the playoffs has been our #1 and #2 D playing like a 25th ranked D therein.  Not the offense.  

 

 

 

Completely agree too, and agree with the above, the Kelly-era OL puts this one to shame, but stay up on that, Torrence and McGovern should do wonders for us.  Right now it appears that we have average or average-plus players in four OL spots.  Obviously Brown is a huge questionmark.  

 

And yes, the WR-ing core lacks "eliteness," but all we need is five solid WRs.  Beasley wasn't "elite."  Davis was a rookie.  Brown, ... average on a good day.  We shouldn't and don't need three all-pro WRs to make it go.  We didn't three seasons ago when we finished a mere 8 points, or 1/2 PPG behind Green Bay in scoring, and look at their WRs that season.  Their second best WR was Valdez-Scantling, an incredibly mediocre WR that finished with 690 yards and 6 TDs.  Unimpressive.  

 

We can easily do better.  Again, hinges on Dorsey and luck with injuries, OL playing better than it has, not even necessarily like a top-5 OL, just notably better than what we've had.  

 

Agree on Cook/Harris, but again, it's a passing league primarily, so how Kincaid plays will also factor in heavily.  

 

I see us being the best offense in the AFC easily.  I see KC dropping down a few spots.  Kelce can't do everything.  We should get a good glimpse as to how good Mahomes is with a mediocre/average cast of WRs apart from Kelce.  

 

 

 

I'd say top-5.  

 

Agree otherwise, but if Allen & Dorsey sync, then buckle up and prepare yourself for some broken records!!!!  

 

GO BILLS!!!!  

 

 

Great post and optimism. This year's offense could really be special if some guys step up. At this point, we know what we have in Allen. A franchise QB and one of the best In the NFL.

 

This is why I believe expectations are so high. Is this team bordering on SB appearance or disappointment? Is that fair? As for myself, I won't be happy or satisfied with another early playoff exit? 

 

Interested to hear others views. 

[PBF81]

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Great post and optimism. This year's offense could really be special if some guys step up. At this point, we know what we have in Allen. A franchise QB and one of the best In the NFL.

 

This is why I believe expectations are so high. Is this team bordering on SB appearance or disappointment? Is that fair? As for myself, I won't be happy or satisfied with another early playoff exit? 

 

Interested to hear others views. 

 

We'll find out, but I would strongly suggest that another early playoff ouster in the wild-card or divisional round, especially now with KC not as strong offensively as they've been, and while Cincy and Jax are better, we're still better, IMO the wheels are going to come off if that happens, the fan & media sentiment will begin to swing in the other direction.  

It's a huge season for several reasons.  Let's hope for the best and see how it unfolds.  You know my views, I'm not in on the old Carolina staff and IMO McD in his quest for ultimate control, has bitten off more than he'll be able to chew.  But I'm also hoping I'm wrong.  

 

OTOH, maybe we'll finally bring a Lombardi back to Buffalo.  

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

I think you get the most out of Kincaid lining up as a te vs LBs and safeties. Find a quick slot wr to own that spot and let kincaid and Knox feast off mismatches. 

The defense gets to choose who they line up against him

[newcam2012]

49 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

We'll find out, but I would strongly suggest that another early playoff ouster in the wild-card or divisional round, especially now with KC not as strong offensively as they've been, and while Cincy and Jax are better, we're still better, IMO the wheels are going to come off if that happens, the fan & media sentiment will begin to swing in the other direction.  

It's a huge season for several reasons.  Let's hope for the best and see how it unfolds.  You know my views, I'm not in on the old Carolina staff and IMO McD in his quest for ultimate control, has bitten off more than he'll be able to chew.  But I'm also hoping I'm wrong.  

 

OTOH, maybe we'll finally bring a Lombardi back to Buffalo.  

 

 

Not sure why you think KC' s offense isn't as strong? 

 

Mahomes really didn't have much last year and they won it all. To boot, Mahomes was playing on one leg. 

 

I think KC come playoff time will be probably the most dangerous team come playoff time. Mahomes, Kelce, and Andy Reid are just at another level. Clearly, the best of the best. 

 

I'll go one step further and say Mahomes could challenge Brady's record. Reid might be the next Bill Belichick. They sure look special to me. 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

Not sure why you think KC' s offense isn't as strong? 

 

Mahomes really didn't have much last year and they won it all. To boot, Mahomes was playing on one leg. 

 

I think KC come playoff time will be probably the most dangerous team come playoff time. Mahomes, Kelce, and Andy Reid are just at another level. Clearly, the best of the best. 

 

I'll go one step further and say Mahomes could challenge Brady's record. Reid might be the next Bill Belichick. They sure look special to me. 

 

Their WRs don't appear to be anything special.  

 

It'll be up there, 2nd to us?  I just don't think it'll be as good as last year.  We can be better is all.  

 

 

Edited August 10, 2023 by PBF81

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Our offense averaged almost 400 yards a game last year, at over 397, 2nd only to KC.

 

The people who think there was some huge "dropoff" are not basing it on facts. 

 

There was no real dropoff, they may not have looked as pretty as they did earlier in the year but they still put up yards and points.

 

I could easily see them leading the NFL in offense this year and points scored. They probably have their most loaded offense of the Allen era overall.

 

 

 

 

Huge dropoff, no. Real dropoff, yes.

 

As you say, the Bills averaged 397 for the year. The Jets game in Week 9 was when Allen was injured and if you look at that game and every one after it, 5 out of 9 are below 357 yards. 

 

And the other four games, the four games where they went over their average of 397, were against the #32, #31, #29 and #18 ranked defenses. The #18 (Fins) defense is a decent ranking, but the other three, well, they weren't good. That's not an average group, all told.

 

I'm with you that I think they're likely to be very good this year, particularly if Josh and the OL stay healthy.

 

 

[BarleyNY]

13 hours ago, Gambit said:

 

 

 

Very interesting in general. Specifically interesting to know that sometimes a GM has to tell the team moving back who they are taking to get the deal done. Of further note it’s worth noting that another GM was afraid we’d be taking an OT in the first round last draft. 

[eball]

2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Very interesting in general. Specifically interesting to know that sometimes a GM has to tell the team moving back who they are taking to get the deal done. Of further note it’s worth noting that another GM was afraid we’d be taking an OT in the first round last draft. 

 

Funny, I just started a thread on the draft story earlier this morning.