If Kincaid can fill the slot role of this team...

[AuntieEm]

4 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Our offense will hum like it did to start the year.

 

When you go back and watch the first quarter of last year, the guy that consistently jumps out as making big time plays was - Isiah McKenzie.  They used him in the slot role, and he was an outlet Josh looked to multiple times throughout the game.  As the year went on, Isiah made some mistakes (thinking of that fumble against the Chiefs) and started to struggle.  All of a sudden, Diggs wasn't generating as much, Davis looked poor, and our offense looked disjointed.

 

This team benefits from having a true slot option.  Josh can play pocket passer more frequently if so.  If Kincaid can come in and force teams to truly defend the slot, the rest of our offense opens up BIG time.

 

I think it's the single biggest question mark on offense going into the year.

 

 

I don't see other teams stopping the Bills offense we have too many weapons and the qb srm that can hit every part of the field and a defense that is capable of stalling any opponent enough to assure we score more points for the wins.  And Kincaid is gonna nab ORoY and it won't even be close.  

 

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Our oline could look worse.....

 

 

 

Does Vegas have an over/under on how many games the little fella plays? The under would be very tempting. 

[JerseyBills]

I agree and not only the slot but he adds a different element and variation as a TE, matched with a proven top 10 TE. We can have him at the line, motion him outside,  motion him back , and get a great read on the D to run or pass. He's going to make a major difference to the O

Edited August 9, 2023 by JerseyBills

[boyst]

19 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Don't need Knox? You have no understanding of this offense or how they will use Kincaid. 

nor do you. because last year under Dorsey we did not use him. not cost effectively especially.

 

if we are struggling on offense and he is not contributing then, no we do not need him.

[AuntieEm]

3 minutes ago, boyst said:

nor do you. because last year under Dorsey we did not use him. not cost effectively especially.

 

if we are struggling on offense and he is not contributing then, no we do not need him.

Lol Josh is gonna use all his weapons and Knox and Gabe Kincais and shorter are all tall receivers and Josh us gonna put passes up high to the big guys so they will have a play while the shorter dbs just get to watch Josh pass against them with ease.

[billsfan89]

I think Kincaid will make a nice impact as will Sheffield and Harty. I think that Shakir also making some improvements year two will add some improvement to the WR core. I think the Bills last season were hoping to have Crowder/Mac split the slot WR spot last season. Crowder was supposed to be the veteran "zone breaker" and Mac the more speedy "man-to-man breaker". That split made sense but once Crowder went down it forced Mac into a full-time role which he wasn't great at. The team also lost Kumerow at the WR4/5 which forced Shakir into more snaps that as a rookie he wasn't ready for. 

 

Hopefully, with Kincaid, Harty, Sheffield and an improved Shakir all eating up time in the slot there is more depth and more production from the WR3/4 role on the field. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Our offense will hum like it did to start the year.

 

When you go back and watch the first quarter of last year, the guy that consistently jumps out as making big time plays was - Isiah McKenzie.  They used him in the slot role, and he was an outlet Josh looked to multiple times throughout the game.  As the year went on, Isiah made some mistakes (thinking of that fumble against the Chiefs) and started to struggle.  All of a sudden, Diggs wasn't generating as much, Davis looked poor, and our offense looked disjointed.

 

This team benefits from having a true slot option.  Josh can play pocket passer more frequently if so.  If Kincaid can come in and force teams to truly defend the slot, the rest of our offense opens up BIG time.

 

I think it's the single biggest question mark on offense going into the year.

 

I don't think McKenzie was the key...the offense as a whole was just clicking more and McKenzie didn't do a whole lot in the early part of the season with his only game with relevant stats was the Miami game which was more about how short handed we were in that loss with injuries and guys struggling with heat issues like Diggs and needed to get off the field.  

 

That being said, I do agree that another weapon in the slot will be good for Allen and this offense, but just saying McKenzie wasn't really doing much from the slot last year when the offense was rolling.  I think the biggest blow was Davis hurting his ankle early in the season and playing through it with it never being quite right.  We didn't have any legit weapons behind him at WR other than Knox, but the OL was playing so bad that they needed to use Knox more as a blocker than in the pass game for a lot of the season. 

[PrimeTime101]

5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

They key to offensive consistency is certainly NOT Kincaid.

It's Josh, just like it always is.

 

Of course, it doesn't hurt if he can get some help.

 

Offensive line and receivers, I'm looking at you.

 

Wrong.. The key to any season on offense is BALANCE.  Just enough run to keep them thinking. Just enough pass block for our receivers to get open. Talented enough WR to get the job done. We did not have any balance last year.. it was just JA constantly running out of trouble and winging it. Its different now with the talent we have at WR/TE and the line. This might be in total the most complete offense Since JA has been with us.. and that should excite many of us. does me. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

5 hours ago, Rubes said:

If Kincaid can learn how to block effectively, that could really create some nightmares for DCs.

 

You are exactly correct.  Kincaid does not really create a dilemma for the defense until he is a threat to throw a devastating run block on a slot corner that is on the field to cover him.  If he can consistently do that, you will see teams try to cover him with LB's.  Most LB's on Kincaid are over matched in pass coverage.

[Kwai San]

6 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

I want to get excited about the Kincaid prospects but am turning down expectations for the kid

 

still think he will be a threat but my expectation is not 1,000 yards that’s for sure

 

im still thinking maybe 500 probably +/- 150 yards either way

 

not because he couldn’t do more but becuase I’m not sure how much Dorsey will actually dial him up 

 

BINGO!!!!!

5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I'm hoping we see Dorsey/Josh take advantage of personnel mismatches that arise with putting Kincaid out there. 

 

 

 

 

Yeah this is what I wanna see.....we all know Josh can do it.  Point that kid in the right direction and LOOK OUT!!!  IMHO it all rides on Dorsey getting it all together.....

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

5 hours ago, Airseven said:

Is Kincaid a TE or WR or "weapon" or Kelce or Kupp? I'm losing track on here. Keep in mind, Beane scrambled to trade up and take him due to the run on WRs. I doubt he was the top target. He's a good prospect, but his impact on the offense will likely be subtle. At least initially.    

Many people were not very high on the wide receivers coming out in this most recent draft.  In fact, several sources said there were only about 19 players that had solid first round grades.  Kincaid was one of those 19.  Beane made the move to get what I believe was the last first round rated offensive skill player that was left on the board.  He gives the Bills options to create mismatches to exploit.  Even if he isn't getting the ball, he will be forcing coverages that allow others to be open.  I think Kincaid was a great pick.

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Our offense will hum like it did to start the year.

 

When you go back and watch the first quarter of last year, the guy that consistently jumps out as making big time plays was - Isiah McKenzie.  They used him in the slot role, and he was an outlet Josh looked to multiple times throughout the game.  As the year went on, Isiah made some mistakes (thinking of that fumble against the Chiefs) and started to struggle.  All of a sudden, Diggs wasn't generating as much, Davis looked poor, and our offense looked disjointed.

 

This team benefits from having a true slot option.  Josh can play pocket passer more frequently if so.  If Kincaid can come in and force teams to truly defend the slot, the rest of our offense opens up BIG time.

 

I think it's the single biggest question mark on offense going into the year.

Good post-  but it won’t be a question mark for long.  Yellow jacket Inc 

[Einstein's Dog]

15 minutes ago, Kwai San said:

 

BINGO!!!!!

 

Yeah this is what I wanna see.....we all know Josh can do it.  Point that kid in the right direction and LOOK OUT!!!  IMHO it all rides on Dorsey getting it all together.....

For me it's Dorsey and Josh...we think Josh should be able to do it. 

 

Josh now has almost 5 years in, he needs more of a command out there, take control of dictating pace's at times when he thinks it's advantageous, better grasp of time management, get more free plays, changing calls, and knowing when and implementing no-huddles.

 

While we often know we have the more talented, physical, QB, it is getting time to also want the smarter more experienced angle to show.

[hondo in seattle]

6 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

I still think the OL is the biggest question mark on offense. They need to do a better job in both pass protection and opening up holes in the run game. Last year the Eagles and Chiefs had the #1 and #2 OL's respectively. Bills were 26th. Allen is great but he needs help up front for this offense to really take off. Especially in the playoffs when the Bills are playing really good teams.

 

Agreed!

 

If we had the best OL in the league, we'd terrorize defenses. 

 

I'm humbly hoping we simply achieve mediocrity this year, which would be an improvement over the last few years.  But I'm worried we won't even attain that.  

[Gambit]

 

 

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Before the bye week:  441 Yards of offense per game (where I said they looked good, and McKenzie was effective in his role)

After: 371 Yards of offense per game

 

You are right - we average 397 yards of offense for the year - which was helped by a tremendous start and then hurt by a REAL drop-off of 70 yards a game.

 

Even breaking down just McKenzie:

 

First 6 weeks: 26 Tgts (4.5 per game), 3 TDs

Last 10 weeks: 39 Tgts (3.9 per game), 1 TD

 

That's with injuries piling up for other players as well.

 

If Kincaid can bring 3-4 catches on 5-6 targets, for 40ish yards and play a better blocking role then McKenzie, this team improves

 

That's more of regressing to the mean...no team is going to average 441 yards over the course of a season.

[Rubes]

1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

You are exactly correct.  Kincaid does not really create a dilemma for the defense until he is a threat to throw a devastating run block on a slot corner that is on the field to cover him.  If he can consistently do that, you will see teams try to cover him with LB's.  Most LB's on Kincaid are over matched in pass coverage.

 

Especially if you put him out there consistently with Knox, who is a decent blocker, then the defense really doesn't know who is going out in a pattern and who is staying in to block, and hence who to assign to them. With Josh so good at RPOs, you could just let him see how they line up and pick the best option. That would be fun to watch.

 

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

You are exactly correct.  Kincaid does not really create a dilemma for the defense until he is a threat to throw a devastating run block on a slot corner that is on the field to cover him.  If he can consistently do that, you will see teams try to cover him with LB's.  Most LB's on Kincaid are over matched in pass coverage.

I agree it is something Kincaid will need to learn.  But hopefully with the huge advantage of being 50 - 60 pounds heavier than your average DB it will be something he could master quickly.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Many people were not very high on the wide receivers coming out in this most recent draft.  In fact, several sources said there were only about 19 players that had solid first round grades.  Kincaid was one of those 19.  Beane made the move to get what I believe was the last first round rated offensive skill player that was left on the board.  He gives the Bills options to create mismatches to exploit.  Even if he isn't getting the ball, he will be forcing coverages that allow others to be open.  I think Kincaid was a great pick.

 

Kincaid was rated by many to be a top 10 talent in the entire draft.

[PBF81]

8 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Our offense will hum like it did to start the year.

 

When you go back and watch the first quarter of last year, the guy that consistently jumps out as making big time plays was - Isiah McKenzie.  They used him in the slot role, and he was an outlet Josh looked to multiple times throughout the game.  As the year went on, Isiah made some mistakes (thinking of that fumble against the Chiefs) and started to struggle.  All of a sudden, Diggs wasn't generating as much, Davis looked poor, and our offense looked disjointed.

 

This team benefits from having a true slot option.  Josh can play pocket passer more frequently if so.  If Kincaid can come in and force teams to truly defend the slot, the rest of our offense opens up BIG time.

 

I think it's the single biggest question mark on offense going into the year.

 

If Dorsey can keep from putting his head up his ass this offense has the potential to be the best in franchise history and rival the best all-time in the NFL.