I have the Bills 53 man roster right here

[ColoradoBills]

On 8/17/2023 at 4:08 AM, BillsFanForever19 said:

My Predicted 53 after Training Camp: 

 

QB - Josh Allen, Kyle Allen

 

RB - James Cook, Damien Harris, Latavius Murray

 

FB - Reggie Gilliam

 

WR - Stefon Diggs, Gabe Davis, Deonte Harty, Trent Sherfield, Khalil Shakir, Justin Shorter

 

TE - Dawson Knox, Dalton Kincaid, Quintin Morris

 

OL - Dion Dawkins, Connor McGovern, Mitch Morse, O'Cyrus Torrence, Spencer Brown, Ryan Bates, David Edwards, David Quessenberry, Tommy Doyle

 

DE - Von Miller (PUP), Leonard Floyd, Greg Rousseau, A.J. Epenesa, Shaq Lawson, Boogie Basham

 

DT - Ed Oliver, Daquan Jones, Jordan Phillips, Poona Ford, Tim Settle

 

LB - Matt Milano, Tyrel Dodson, Dorian Williams, Terrel Bernard, A.J. Klein, Tyler Matakevitch

 

CB - Tre'Davious White, Kaiir Elam, Taron Johnson, Dane Jackson, Christian Benford, Siran Neal

 

S - Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin

 

ST - Tyler Bass, Sam Martin, Reid Ferguson

 

 

Cuts:

 

QB - Matt Barkley

 

RB - Darrynton Evans, Jordan Mims

 

WR - Andy Isabella, Tyrell Shavers, Dezmon Patmon, Isaiah Coulter, KeeSean Johnson, Marcell Ateman, Bryan Thompson

 

TE - Jace Sternberger, Joel Wilson

 

OL - Ike Boettger, Nick Broeker, Richard Gouraige, Greg Mancz, Kevin Jarvis, Ryan Van Demark, Alec Anderson

 

DE - Shane Ray, Kingsley Jonathan, Kameron Cline

 

DT - Eli Ankou, DJ Dale, Kendall Vickers, Cortez Broughton

 

LB - Baylon Spector, Travin Howard

 

CB - Cam Lewis, Alex Austin, Ja'Marcus Ingram, Kyrin Brown

 

S - Dean Marlowe, Zayne Anderson, Jared Mayden

 

Your 53 is pretty much what I see.  Shorter is the only "unknown".  Isabella has a chance to take it over in the next 3 weeks but probably not.

Kyle Allen will have to play really bad in both the remaining games to get cut.  Cam Lewis has a slight chance still but that would mean a

Siran Neal cut, and I don't see that happening either.

 

I foolishly threw out my 16 "hopeful" to make it to the PS.  Of course, the PS will cycle through others as time goes by.

[AuntieEm]

On 8/17/2023 at 8:26 AM, Doc said:

 

With the team they have, no Day 3 draft pick is assured of anything anymore.

 

  Yea unless a mid and lower drsft pick  really shines they really shouldn't be making a team as good as the Bills are currently.   

 

 

[BillsFanForever19]

5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Your 53 is pretty much what I see.  Shorter is the only "unknown".  Isabella has a chance to take it over in the next 3 weeks but probably not.

Kyle Allen will have to play really bad in both the remaining games to get cut.  Cam Lewis has a slight chance still but that would mean a

Siran Neal cut, and I don't see that happening either.

 

I foolishly threw out my 16 "hopeful" to make it to the PS.  Of course, the PS will cycle through others as time goes by.

 

I think Isabella has a chance to stick. We'll be keeping 7 WR's instead of 6 if that happens, with a position elsewhere carrying 1 less player. Maybe 4 DE's instead of 5. But I still see it more likely that he'll be on the Practice Squad and the first WR up if there's an injury.

 

Shorter is going to be here. He hasn't done anything so awful that they're going to pass on trying to develop him and give up on a 5th Round Pick before he even gets to the regular season. Beane has never outright cut a Rookie Draft Pick that high in Year 1.

 

He traded away Wyatt Teller in Year 1 and he's regretted that decision ever since.

Edited August 18, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Matt_In_NH]

Updates prior Preseason Game 3

Pushing for a spot:  Cam Cline, Kingsley Jonathan, Andy Isabella

Bubble guys:   Baylon Spector, Cam Lewis, Shaq Lawson, Damien Harris, Khalil Shakir

Trade candidates:  Epenesa, Basham, other DE's if a team is willing to pay something.  Shakir.  I think Beane will be exploring anything if someone is will to provide a pick or possbly a backup tackle.

 

I do think there could be some minor surprise cuts that both mitigate a risk and reduce cap.  But I dont really see that happening.

 

Looking at Spotrac I am surprised they guaranteed Dean Marlowe $252K and Barkley $235K when it was likely those guys would not make it.

[Doc]

So after PS3, what's the verdict?

[Success]

10 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Updates prior Preseason Game 3

Pushing for a spot:  Cam Cline, Kingsley Jonathan, Andy Isabella

Bubble guys:   Baylon Spector, Cam Lewis, Shaq Lawson, Damien Harris, Khalil Shakir

Trade candidates:  Epenesa, Basham, other DE's if a team is willing to pay something.  Shakir.  I think Beane will be exploring anything if someone is will to provide a pick or possbly a backup tackle.

 

I do think there could be some minor surprise cuts that both mitigate a risk and reduce cap.  But I dont really see that happening.

 

Looking at Spotrac I am surprised they guaranteed Dean Marlowe $252K and Barkley $235K when it was likely those guys would not make it.

 

Damien Harris isn't someone I'd describe as being on the bubble. He will be a big part of the offense this year.

 

[CNYfan]

I think Shorter is cut and PS.

I think B. Spector will go on IR

J. Ingrahm will be cut and PS

I think they will try to get A. Anderson onto the PS

I think Van DenMark makes the team 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

11 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Updates prior Preseason Game 3

Pushing for a spot:  Cam Cline, Kingsley Jonathan, Andy Isabella

Bubble guys:   Baylon Spector, Cam Lewis, Shaq Lawson, Damien Harris, Khalil Shakir

Trade candidates:  Epenesa, Basham, other DE's if a team is willing to pay something.  Shakir.  I think Beane will be exploring anything if someone is will to provide a pick or possbly a backup tackle.

 

I do think there could be some minor surprise cuts that both mitigate a risk and reduce cap.  But I dont really see that happening.

 

Looking at Spotrac I am surprised they guaranteed Dean Marlowe $252K and Barkley $235K when it was likely those guys would not make it.

 

Pocket change!

[Airseven]

QB - Allen

RB - Cook, Harris

FB - Gilliam

WR - Diggs, Davis, Sherfield

TE - Knox, Kincaid

OT - Dawkins, Brown

IOL - Morse, Torrence, Bates, Edwards, McGovern-PUP?

DE - Rousseau, Floyd, Miller-PUP

DT - Oliver, Jones

LB - Milano, Williams

CB - White, Benford, Johnson, Neal, Jackson

S - Poyer, Hyde, Rapp

K - Bass

P - Martin

LS - Ferguson

(34)

 

The rest don’t matter. Keep them, cut them, trade them. Need to go outside the org for multiple players.

[BillsFanForever19]

Final Prediction including Practice Squad:

 

- This is only based on players who are here and not potential moves. At the very least, there will be a surprise or two on the Practice Squad from somewhere else.

 

I believe it's also very likely Case Keenum will be brought back from Houston to be the Backup and also possible a vet is signed in Van Demark's roster spot. 

 

QB:
Josh Allen #17 
Kyle Allen #9

 

RB:
James Cook #4
Damien Harris #22
Latavius Murray #28
-
Reggie Gilliam #41

 

WR:
Stefon Diggs #14
Gabe Davis #13

Deonte Harty #11
Trent Sherfield #16
Khalil Shakir #10
Justin Shorter #18

 

TE: 
Dawson Knox #88

Dalton Kincaid #86
Quintin Morris #85

 

OL:
Dion Dawkins #73
Connor McGovern #66
Mitch Morse #60
O'Cyrus Torrence #64
Spencer Brown #79
-
Ryan Bates #71
David Edwards #76
David Quessenberry #77
Ryan Van Demark #74

 

DE: 
Leonard Floyd #56
Greg Rousseau #50
Shaq Lawson #90
A.J. Epenesa #57
Carlos Basham Jr. #55

 

DT:
Ed Oliver #91
DaQuan Jones #92
Poona Ford #98
Jordan Phillips #97
Tim Settle #99

 

LB:
Matt Milano #58
Tyrel Dodson #53
Terrel Bernard #43
Dorian Williams #42
A.J. Klein #52
Tyler Matakevitch #44

 

CB:
Tre'Davious White #27
Kaiir Elam #24
Dane Jackson #30
Taron Johnson #7
Christian Benford #47
Siran Neal #33

 

S:
Jordan Poyer #21
Micah Hyde #23
Taylor Rapp #20
Damar Hamlin #3

 

ST:
Tyler Bass #2
Sam Martin #8
Reid Ferguson #69

 

PUP Reserved:

DE Von Miller #40

LB Baylon Spector #54

 

Practice Squad:

QB Matt Barkley
RB Darrynton Evans
WR Andy Isabella
WR KeeSean Johnson
WR Tyrell Shavers
OL Alec Anderson
OL Ike Boettger
OL Nick Broeker
OL Richard Gouraige
DE Kingsley Jonathan
DT Eli Ankou
LB Travin Howard
CB Cam Lewis
CB Alex Austin

CB Ja'Marcus Ingram
S Dean Marlowe 

Edited August 28, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Warriorspikes51]

12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Final Prediction including Practice Squad:

 

- This is only based on players who are here and not potential moves. At the very least, there will be a surprise or two on the Practice Squad from somewhere else.

 

I believe it's also very likely Case Keenum will be brought back from Houston to be the Backup and also possible a vet is signed in Van Demark's roster spot. 

 

QB:
Josh Allen #17 
Kyle Allen #9

 

RB:
James Cook #4
Damien Harris #22
Latavius Murray #28
-
Reggie Gilliam #41

 

WR:
Stefon Diggs #14
Gabe Davis #13

Deonte Harty #11
Trent Sherfield #16
Khalil Shakir #10
Justin Shorter #18

 

TE: 
Dawson Knox #88

Dalton Kincaid #86
Quintin Morris #85

 

OL:
Dion Dawkins #73
Connor McGovern #66
Mitch Morse #60
O'Cyrus Torrence #64
Spencer Brown #79
-
Ryan Bates #71
David Edwards #76
David Quessenberry #77
Ryan Van Demark #74

 

DE: 
Leonard Floyd #56
Greg Rousseau #50
Shaq Lawson #90
A.J. Epenesa #57
Carlos Basham Jr. #55

 

DT:
Ed Oliver #91
DaQuan Jones #92
Poona Ford #98
Jordan Phillips #97
Tim Settle #99

 

LB:
Matt Milano #58
Tyrel Dodson #53
Terrel Bernard #43
Dorian Williams #42
A.J. Klein #52
Tyler Matakevitch #44

 

CB:
Tre'Davious White #27
Kaiir Elam #24
Dane Jackson #30
Taron Johnson #7
Christian Benford #47
Siran Neal #33

 

S:
Jordan Poyer #21
Micah Hyde #23
Taylor Rapp #20
Damar Hamlin #3

 

ST:
Tyler Bass #2
Sam Martin #8
Reid Ferguson #69

 

PUP Reserved:

DE Von Miller #40

LB Baylon Spector #54

 

Practice Squad:

QB Matt Barkley
RB Darrynton Evans
WR Andy Isabella
WR KeeSean Johnson
WR Tyrell Shavers
OL Alec Anderson
OL Ike Boettger
OL Nick Broeker
OL Richard Gouraige
DE Kingsley Jonathan
DT Eli Ankou
LB Travin Howard
CB Cam Lewis
CB Alex Austin

CB Ja'Marcus Ingram
S Dean Marlowe 

Look pretty realistic.   

The LB position has too much quantity and no quality after Milano.  Would really like to add a starting caliber player there.

Dodson should be cut in my opinion, but he likely won't be.  He is horrific in coverage 

I'd also cut Quessenberry and keep Gouraige on the roster 

I can see Basham being traded for a late pick and Kingsley Jonathan making the team.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[JerseyBills]

Random but Gilmore showing Diggs alot of love

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Random but Gilmore showing Diggs alot of love

 

 

The top 3 on that list are pretty much interchangeable any given week.....and I agree with Gilmore they are the top 3 

[Matt_In_NH]

12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Final Prediction including Practice Squad:

 

- This is only based on players who are here and not potential moves. At the very least, there will be a surprise or two on the Practice Squad from somewhere else.

 

I believe it's also very likely Case Keenum will be brought back from Houston to be the Backup and also possible a vet is signed in Van Demark's roster spot. 

 

QB:
Josh Allen #17 
Kyle Allen #9

 

RB:
James Cook #4
Damien Harris #22
Latavius Murray #28
-
Reggie Gilliam #41

 

WR:
Stefon Diggs #14
Gabe Davis #13

Deonte Harty #11
Trent Sherfield #16
Khalil Shakir #10
Justin Shorter #18

 

TE: 
Dawson Knox #88

Dalton Kincaid #86
Quintin Morris #85

 

OL:
Dion Dawkins #73
Connor McGovern #66
Mitch Morse #60
O'Cyrus Torrence #64
Spencer Brown #79
-
Ryan Bates #71
David Edwards #76
David Quessenberry #77
Ryan Van Demark #74

 

DE: 
Leonard Floyd #56
Greg Rousseau #50
Shaq Lawson #90
A.J. Epenesa #57
Carlos Basham Jr. #55

 

DT:
Ed Oliver #91
DaQuan Jones #92
Poona Ford #98
Jordan Phillips #97
Tim Settle #99

 

LB:
Matt Milano #58
Tyrel Dodson #53
Terrel Bernard #43
Dorian Williams #42
A.J. Klein #52
Tyler Matakevitch #44

 

CB:
Tre'Davious White #27
Kaiir Elam #24
Dane Jackson #30
Taron Johnson #7
Christian Benford #47
Siran Neal #33

 

S:
Jordan Poyer #21
Micah Hyde #23
Taylor Rapp #20
Damar Hamlin #3

 

ST:
Tyler Bass #2
Sam Martin #8
Reid Ferguson #69

 

PUP Reserved:

DE Von Miller #40

LB Baylon Spector #54

 

Practice Squad:

QB Matt Barkley
RB Darrynton Evans
WR Andy Isabella
WR KeeSean Johnson
WR Tyrell Shavers
OL Alec Anderson
OL Ike Boettger
OL Nick Broeker
OL Richard Gouraige
DE Kingsley Jonathan
DT Eli Ankou
LB Travin Howard
CB Cam Lewis
CB Alex Austin

CB Ja'Marcus Ingram
S Dean Marlowe 

We pretty much agree...I updated the OP to have Klein making it......not sure though, he could be a guy they waive and then bring back after week 1.  It will be intereesting to see how Beane handles it.  The big questions are who if anyone gets traded and the domino affect that has.  I think the Bills may be looking for a MLB.

 

Updates prior Final Cuts

Klein in, Spector out..he could be season IR or a roster gymnastics guy to get him to in season IR.  Want to find a way to keep Isabella....maybe over Lawson....I think they will weigth chances of guys getting poached, needs etc.   I can see them keeping 7 WR's but putting Shakir on IR

[Warriorspikes51]

How about Texans LB Christian Kirksey - he is rumored to be a possible cut / trade.  Knows Poyer and I think he went to Iowa with Hyde. Was the Texans 2022 Walter Payton award nominee. He may have actually played with Poyer in CLE and Hyde in GB, but not positive?
 

not sure what Jerry Hughes cap $ is, would be nice to add him as well 

LB Kirksey
DE Hughes

For
 

DE Basham
6th 

 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[oldmanfan]

On 8/26/2023 at 6:50 PM, Airseven said:

QB - Allen

RB - Cook, Harris

FB - Gilliam

WR - Diggs, Davis, Sherfield

TE - Knox, Kincaid

OT - Dawkins, Brown

IOL - Morse, Torrence, Bates, Edwards, McGovern-PUP?

DE - Rousseau, Floyd, Miller-PUP

DT - Oliver, Jones

LB - Milano, Williams

CB - White, Benford, Johnson, Neal, Jackson

S - Poyer, Hyde, Rapp

K - Bass

P - Martin

LS - Ferguson

(34)

 

The rest don’t matter. Keep them, cut them, trade them. Need to go outside the org for multiple players.

A couple thoughts.  One, when you are one of the top teams in the league in general other teams are looking to sign your cut guys, not the other way around.  Second, the constant be negative schtick you use around here to get attention is really, really old.

[Matt_In_NH]

4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

How about Texans LB Christian Kirksey - he is rumored to be a possible cut / trade.  Knows Poyer and I think he went to Iowa with Hyde. Was the Texans 2022 Walter Payton award nominee. He may have actually played with Poyer in CLE and Hyde in GB, but not positive?
 

not sure what Jerry Hughes cap $ is, would be nice to add him as well 

LB Kirksey
DE Hughes

For
 

DE Basham
6th 

 

I love Jerry Hughes but the Bills have big numbers at DE as it is....if they brought him in it would have to be at a min deal.  No idea about Kirksey but I think Beane will be looking at MLB's both in trade and guys released.

[Manther]

14 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

Final Prediction including Practice Squad:

 

- This is only based on players who are here and not potential moves. At the very least, there will be a surprise or two on the Practice Squad from somewhere else.

 

I believe it's also very likely Case Keenum will be brought back from Houston to be the Backup and also possible a vet is signed in Van Demark's roster spot. 

 

QB:
Josh Allen #17 
Kyle Allen #9

 

RB:
James Cook #4
Damien Harris #22
Latavius Murray #28
-
Reggie Gilliam #41

 

WR:
Stefon Diggs #14
Gabe Davis #13

Deonte Harty #11
Trent Sherfield #16
Khalil Shakir #10
Justin Shorter #18

 

TE: 
Dawson Knox #88

Dalton Kincaid #86
Quintin Morris #85

 

OL:
Dion Dawkins #73
Connor McGovern #66
Mitch Morse #60
O'Cyrus Torrence #64
Spencer Brown #79
-
Ryan Bates #71
David Edwards #76
David Quessenberry #77
Ryan Van Demark #74

 

DE: 
Leonard Floyd #56
Greg Rousseau #50
Shaq Lawson #90
A.J. Epenesa #57
Carlos Basham Jr. #55

 

DT:
Ed Oliver #91
DaQuan Jones #92
Poona Ford #98
Jordan Phillips #97
Tim Settle #99

 

LB:
Matt Milano #58
Tyrel Dodson #53
Terrel Bernard #43
Dorian Williams #42
A.J. Klein #52
Tyler Matakevitch #44

 

CB:
Tre'Davious White #27
Kaiir Elam #24
Dane Jackson #30
Taron Johnson #7
Christian Benford #47
Siran Neal #33

 

S:
Jordan Poyer #21
Micah Hyde #23
Taylor Rapp #20
Damar Hamlin #3

 

ST:
Tyler Bass #2
Sam Martin #8
Reid Ferguson #69

 

PUP Reserved:

DE Von Miller #40

LB Baylon Spector #54

 

Practice Squad:

QB Matt Barkley
RB Darrynton Evans
WR Andy Isabella
WR KeeSean Johnson
WR Tyrell Shavers
OL Alec Anderson
OL Ike Boettger
OL Nick Broeker
OL Richard Gouraige
DE Kingsley Jonathan
DT Eli Ankou
LB Travin Howard
CB Cam Lewis
CB Alex Austin

CB Ja'Marcus Ingram
S Dean Marlowe 

Ok, I like this and agree with most.  Anything I disagree with are the tough choices and who knows what is best.

 

Here are my questions.  Once again, I like your thoughts.

 

1.  Quessenbury.  Does he make the team.  I like his versatility.  Is he good enough.  I think he makies the 53.  Do we want 8 or 9 Olinemen.

 

2.  Von Miller.  Before I get into D Linemen.  Does Von Miller go on PUP and not be on the team AND not practice for 4 weeks.  I am leaning to him on the 53 and maybe not playing for weeks, but, practicing.  Him helping the team, teaching and pushing vs the 53rd player.  I say no PUP.

 

3.  D line.  How many can you keep.  You have 10 and Von Miller on PUP for 11.  I have 12 very good D Linemen

 

--> DE Kingsley Jonathan - I think he is very good and we can't get him to the PS.  I also think he is better than others

--> DE Shaq Lawson - I like him a lot and think he is very important.  Vet minimum?  I think so.  I think we need to stash him on the PS and can

--> Kingsley and Shaq are in the 53 category and where it gets tricky

 

4.  Cam Lewis.  I don't think he gets to the PS.  I think he is better than most think.  I think Cam needs to be on the 53.  But, who do you cut instead.  Tough call.

 

5.  Baylon Spector.  If you don't put him on PUP he needs to take a spot on the 53 and makes things harder.  I agree he goes on PUP.

 

6.  Adding Von Miller and Cam Lewis we need to cut 2 players.

 

--> Shaq Lawson to PS, Kingsley Jonathan to 53 (even swap)

--> AJ Klein to PS

--> one other cut, not sure who it is.  I think Quessenbury can be PS and who cares if he gets scooped up

--> love the depth and talent

--> Go Bills!

Edited August 28, 2023 by Manther
Updated thoughts

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Which Allen do you have as starter? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

How about Texans LB Christian Kirksey - he is rumored to be a possible cut / trade.  Knows Poyer and I think he went to Iowa with Hyde. Was the Texans 2022 Walter Payton award nominee. He may have actually played with Poyer in CLE and Hyde in GB, but not positive?
 

not sure what Jerry Hughes cap $ is, would be nice to add him as well 

LB Kirksey
DE Hughes

For
 

DE Basham
6th 

 

Bills had interest in Kirksey a couple years ago.