NFL coach ‘not sure’ Bills’ Josh Allen can consistently win as a passer

[BUFFALOTONE]

This is Hogwash, the .13 seconds game should have told you everything you need to know. 

[Saxum]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Wow.  There are 32 defensive coordinators in the NFL (well...maybe 31?).  So because a few of them have a bad take, that means a defensive minded head coach is bad?  That's logical (Not!).

 

I sure hope you don't have a position where people management and employee evaluation is part of the job,

 

 

And the poll was not just DCs but he is citing that in attempt to support argument against having a DC become a HC.

 

 

[eball]

Trash.  If there is actually a DC who believes this that’s a sad state of affairs for the franchise in question.

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, eball said:

Trash.  If there is actually a DC who believes this that’s a sad state of affairs for the franchise in question.

 

I mean there are Bills fans who believe this

[Airseven]

Nothing wrong with the quote. Allen belongs in “tier 2.” And yes, the issue with him remains inconsistency, primarily related to accuracy and decision making. 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Airseven said:

Nothing wrong with the quote. Allen belongs in “tier 2.” And yes, the issue with him remains inconsistency, primarily related to accuracy and decision making. 

 

Hi-freaking-larious.

 

It’s amazing the lengths to which some trolls will go to get a reaction.

 

 

 

Edited August 7, 2023 by eball

[Utah John]

IIRC, it was Mahomes who threw a late interception against the Bills, preventing the Chiefs from coming back to win in last year's game.  

 

The only thing I can pin on Allen last year was his late fumble against the Vikings, after our D line somehow mounted a goal line stand.  That gave the game away.  Other than that, I can't think of a loss in any game, regular season or playoffs, where Allen had a chance to win or to close out a game, and failed.  

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Trash.  If there is actually a DC who believes this that’s a sad state of affairs for the franchise in question.

 

Makes one think that there is a village out there embarrassingly looking for one of their “citizens” 

 

😁

[mannc]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

This whole conversation reminds me of the time, a few years ago, Terry Bradshaw dissed Josh on national TV.

 

He was literally outside on that stupid set they build and go on prior to the game.  He's standing out there with the other guys, and it came time for Terry to mention his 3 second sound byte for the segment.

 

He said: "For me, [as a QB] you are either accurate or not accurate, and I don't think Josh Allen is accurate" or words to that effect.

 

I keep thinking of that clip every now and again.

 

I really hate Terry Bradshaw in general and find him to add NOTHING to a football broadcast.

 

He's also dumber than dirt.  I don't know how he keeps his job.

 

 

In the words of the great Hollywood Henderson, Bradshaw couldn't spell "cat" if you spotted him the "c" and the "a"... 

[ngbills]

Josh is never gonna be the typical qb. Some people think that is what you have to be to win for the long haul. He still relies on the off script play. He still will miss an easy pass. He will make the wrong read. But he will make up for it when he does something amazing a play later. It is fair to ask what will happen in 5 years or more when the ability is not there? Will he be as good a qb without that attribute. Time will tell. I still take him as my qb. 

[Buffalo716]

And I'm pretty sure that nameless coach will never be a head coach in the NFL 

[Success]

I have also seen that more pundits and fans that I'd imagine barely have JA in their top 5 now. Some don't even put him in that group.

 

It's all kind of funny.  Choosing a hot take over objective information has become ingrained at this point. The Cincy game is now what people think JA is capable of.

 

Sometimes, I get a little annoyed. But then I remember how it is when either Allen or the Bills are overhyped.

 

I'll take the alternative. Better to be underestimated.

 

[Roundybout]

Was the head coach Urban Meyer? Maybe Ken Wisenhunt? 

1 hour ago, Utah John said:

IIRC, it was Mahomes who threw a late interception against the Bills, preventing the Chiefs from coming back to win in last year's game.  

 

The only thing I can pin on Allen last year was his late fumble against the Vikings, after our D line somehow mounted a goal line stand.  That gave the game away.  Other than that, I can't think of a loss in any game, regular season or playoffs, where Allen had a chance to win or to close out a game, and failed.  

 

Maybe the first Dolphins game? Otherwise agreed. 

Edited August 7, 2023 by Roundybout

[DCofNC]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Although it does have to be pointed out (and this applies to Burrows as well) that "solid is as solid does".  Allen does his O-line no favors at times; if he took the short pass and the checkdown more at times, his line would look better.

 

I mean, I'm not saying they'd magically look great, but they'd look average or a bit better.

 

And Spencer Brown would still be an issue.

Absolutely agree, be it him, or the game plan, he holds the ball way too long, especially when it’s obvious the O-Line is being eaten alive.  Example, Bengals playoff game.   What the Bengals did the year before with Burrow hitting the 3rd step and the ball coming out, managed to cover their line deficiencies, until he had to force the ball down field late in games, then the poop stains showed.   The Bills need to have a quick passing game on tap at very least.  I don’t know if what we saw last year was JA or Dorsey, but I sure hope they get it remedied this year.

[PBF81]

It's probably Belichick.  

 

He seems to know all bout the importance of QBs that can pass well to win.  He has a degree from the school of hard knocks  

 

 

[AlfaBill]

1 hour ago, Utah John said:

IIRC, it was Mahomes who threw a late interception against the Bills, preventing the Chiefs from coming back to win in last year's game.  

 

The only thing I can pin on Allen last year was his late fumble against the Vikings, after our D line somehow mounted a goal line stand.  That gave the game away.  Other than that, I can't think of a loss in any game, regular season or playoffs, where Allen had a chance to win or to close out a game, and failed.  

He did throw a bad pass at Miami in week three that could’ve been the winner. That said JA is a top tier QB. 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

It's probably Belichick.  

 

He seems to know all bout the importance of QBs that can pass well to win.  He has a degree from the school of hard knocks 

 

Belicheat?  The one whose defense surrendered a TD on every drive it faced in that playoff game?  No chance.  He'd give his left nut for a QB like Josh.

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

It's probably Belichick.  

 

He seems to know all bout the importance of QBs that can pass well to win.  He has a degree from the school of hard knocks  

 

 

Belichick knows better than any coach out there how elite Josh Allen is.

[AlfaBill]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Hi-freaking-larious.

 

It’s amazing the lengths to which some trolls will go to get a reaction.

 

 

 

He’s a toad. 

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

Belicheat?  The one whose defense surrendered a TD on every drive it faced in that playoff game?  No chance.  He'd give his left nut for a QB like Josh.

 

That's what I meant.  Bad humor apparently.  

 

With Jones he realizes the value of a passer.  

 

 

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Belichick knows better than any coach out there how elite Josh Allen is.

 

Yes yes, easy chief.  Poor attempt at humor on my part.  

 

Geez ...