Training Camp - 8/3 - 9:45am

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

But we don’t. So who should be out there instead?

 

who cares if he wants a contract extension…. Literally every athlete in the world wants the same thing.  What does that have to do with anything?

Especially if we traded Diggs for him….

No one that’s the point this should have been dealt with in the off season. 

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

And STILL put up almost 900 yards and 7 TD in an injury-shortened season

 

get real

 

Ooo so impressive when the other receiver is Steff Diggs he should have been even better 

[scuba guy]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Thad Brown NEVER disappoints!  Allen makes a bad throw among a host of great throws at practice and this hack hopes it isn't a sign of something worse? 

 

 

In Astros notes he said Allen just through it in there to test it.

 

 

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

No one that’s the point this should have been dealt with in the off season. 

Ooo so impressive when the other receiver is Steff Diggs he should have been even better 

They used their 1st rd pick on a pass catcher that will be one of the focal points of our offense for the next 10 years.  A pass catcher that won’t cost us 30m aav after he’s an all pro. We’ll be just fine as long as the OL hold up and Dorsey improves 

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Thad Brown NEVER disappoints!  Allen makes a bad throw among a host of great throws at practice and this hack hopes it isn't a sign of something worse? 

 

 

He's destined for another errand Josh Allen pass to the jaw😎

[JaCrispy]

All I keep thinking about is Brown jumping through a table the night he was drafted…I’m no doctor, but I would surmise that probably wasn’t good for his back…

[Jauronimo]

6 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

who was the white guy from around Dareus rookie year i think it was lol him too also marcus easley

7/11 Chris Hogan

[Ethan in Cleveland]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Weird about Spector. He got a chance with the 1s and by all accounts played quite well. Now he is permanently relegated to the 3rd team. It seems like Dodson is the leader in the competition but I worry about him. When Edmunds missed the 2nd half of the Minnesota game, Dodson was his replacement and looked awful IMO. It was a big reason Minnesota was suddenly able to move the ball at will.

Nobody looked as bad as Bernard did last year. Even Epenesa, Basham, and Johnson looked better than Bernard did.

10 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Milano tends to miss some games each year with injuries, so having Williams backing him up there is a good thing.  As for MLB you know Klein can play that spot on running downs, and we'll see between Bernard and Dodson who gets the most snaps.  My guess is on passing downs McD is going to go with a lot of 6 DB/1 LB looks anyway, with Milano on the field. As for 2nd CB, I think we'll see Elam a lot depending on what McD calls.  If they want more one-on-one Elam has that skill set, whereas Jackson and Benford will play more in zone.  having three guys competing for one spot is a lot better than having none.

Milano tends to miss some games each year with injuries, so having Williams backing him up there is a good thing.  As for MLB you know Klein can play that spot on running downs, and we'll see between Bernard and Dodson who gets the most snaps.  My guess is on passing downs McD is going to go with a lot of 6 DB/1 LB looks anyway, with Milano on the field. As for 2nd CB, I think we'll see Elam a lot depending on what McD calls.  If they want more one-on-one Elam has that skill set, whereas Jackson and Benford will play more in zone.  having three guys competing for one spot is a lot better than having none.

I agree with your 6 DB 1 LB idea. That puts the 7 best defenders on the field on the back end in obvious passing down and distances. You can still blitz a safety from this group if you want to send 5 guys. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, FLFan said:

Or it just may be that he understands more than you about how to build an NFL team, as shocking as that concept might be to you.  

Why do you think he does? Without Allen what has he really accomplished? If Browns or Jets take Allen he would be out of a job by now. 

He has as many misses as he does hits. Bills could do a lot worse but Beane is not infallible.

30 minutes ago, NewEra said:

They used their 1st rd pick on a pass catcher that will be one of the focal points of our offense for the next 10 years.  A pass catcher that won’t cost us 30m aav after he’s an all pro. We’ll be just fine as long as the OL hold up and Dorsey improves 

Agreed. Knox and Kincaid if used correctly can be devastating. 

[Andrew Son]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Why do you think he does? Without Allen what has he really accomplished? If Browns or Jets take Allen he would be out of a job by now. 

He has as many misses as he does hits. Bills could do a lot worse but Beane is not infallible.

Besides doing the most important thing possible what has he done?!?!

[freddyjj]

18 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

All I keep thinking about is Brown jumping through a table the night he was drafted…I’m no doctor, but I would surmise that probably wasn’t good for his back…

I surmised that in the thread earlier. 😂 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

No one that’s the point this should have been dealt with in the off season. 

Ooo so impressive when the other receiver is Steff Diggs he should have been even better 

 

The point is, guy, if he'd had a full, uninjured season, he likely would have surpassed Waddle, or even Cin's second receiver.

 

[YattaOkasan]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

They don't need to look at Klein.  McDermott knows what Klein's strengths and limitations are in great detail.

Yes but if he was in the competition he would get more reps. Since he’s gotten almost nothing I think he’s vet PS. No one is gonna pick him up so he’s an easy stash. 

[RyanC883]

11 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

He is a rookie from not a big time program.  They don’t want to overload him by having him learn 2 positions- and a rookie at MLB calling defense in the huddle is risky.  Too early to panic on a rookie late 3rd round pick.

 

Tulane is still D1.  And he had a good senior bowl.  Not playing him or trying him at MLB is crazy. 

[Beck Water]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Sounds like he might have slipped a disc a little.  I had back surgery in November of 2021 and quick sudden movements can just throw it out easily.

 

I can train at the gym hard....completely good.  Then I can drop my wallet on the ground and when I go down to reach it....out.  Now I'm walking around like I have to poop all day.

 

Unfortunately I suspect that playing NFL OT is even more strenuous than picking up a wallet, and probably subjects the back to more unpredictable and undesireable forces than a carefully controlled gym workout

 

 

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

One training camp, 7 practices in and you've already determined Williams a waste.  

 

9 hours ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

One can be right now and then and still be a turd

 

Somehow I felt these two posts just complemented each other and went together.  Like bread and butter.  Ham and cheese.  Wings and blue cheese

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

All I keep thinking about is Brown jumping through a table the night he was drafted…I’m no doctor, but I would surmise that probably wasn’t good for his back…

Was thinking that last year when I heard he had back surgery. 
 

I really want to love this guy.    
 

But I hate this guy and have very little confidence that he’ll ever be anything but a detriment to Josh Allens health.  
 

sigh.  

[JaCrispy]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Was thinking that last year when I heard he had back surgery. 
 

I really want to love this guy.    
 

But I hate this guy and have very little confidence that he’ll ever be anything but a detriment to Josh Allens health.  
 

sigh.  

Same…part of me is keeping my fingers crossed…but part of me wonders how long it will take before the team realizes they need to upgrade…

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Why do you think he does? Without Allen what has he really accomplished? If Browns or Jets take Allen he would be out of a job by now. 

He has as many misses as he does hits. Bills could do a lot worse but Beane is not infallible.

Agreed. Knox and Kincaid if used correctly can be devastating. 

Beane would be out of a job?  I doubt it.  If we didn’t have Allen the bar wouldn’t be set so high.  Coming off 17 bum seasons, there’s a good chance Beane would’ve done good Enough to stick around.  He’s not inept.  He’s been really bad drafting rd 2-3 and that is what is keeping this team from being a champion.  There’s a lot of real estate between being a champion and being fired

 

You don’t know what would have happened if Allen was gone.  What if he would’ve drafted Lamar?  Maybe he would’ve found a way to draft one of many solid young qbs.  You’re acting as if he 💯 would’ve failed in the quest of a franchise QB.  But you have no clue who he would’ve taken.  

5 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Same…part of me is keeping my fingers crossed…but part of me wonders how long it will take before the team realizes they need to upgrade…

Seems like they’re blinded by the RAS and believes in the individual.  Could cost

us 3 seasons in a row.  
 

but we have Kincaid- just throw him the ball.   We’ll win

Edited August 4, 2023 by NewEra

[Royale with Cheese]

15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Unfortunately I suspect that playing NFL OT is even more strenuous than picking up a wallet, and probably subjects the back to more unpredictable and undesireable forces than a carefully controlled gym workout

 

 

 

 

Somehow I felt these two posts just complemented each other and went together.  Like bread and butter.  Ham and cheese.  Wings and blue cheese

 

My hobby puts my body through hell just like an NFL player.  It's a different type but still get broken down physically.  

The reason I had back surgery was because of this.  I have had several more injuries as well and probably need surgery on my left shoulder.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

59 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Beane would be out of a job?  I doubt it.  If we didn’t have Allen the bar wouldn’t be set so high.  Coming off 17 bum seasons, there’s a good chance Beane would’ve done good Enough to stick around.  He’s not inept.  He’s been really bad drafting rd 2-3 and that is what is keeping this team from being a champion.  There’s a lot of real estate between being a champion and being fired

 

You don’t know what would have happened if Allen was gone.  What if he would’ve drafted Lamar?  Maybe he would’ve found a way to draft one of many solid young qbs.  You’re acting as if he 💯 would’ve failed in the quest of a franchise QB.  But you have no clue who he would’ve taken.  

Seems like they’re blinded by the RAS and believes in the individual.  Could cost

us 3 seasons in a row.  
 

but we have Kincaid- just throw him the ball.   We’ll win

Fair enough. But its more likely he would have taken Rosen, Mayfield, or Darnold if Allen was gone.

 

GM that took Mayfield - fired

GM that took Rosen and Murray - fired

GM that took Darnold- fired

 

Miss on a first round QB is a career death blow.

 

Never ever have I said he was inept. I just push back on the he is a genius nonsense and that he is infallible in some way because he drafted Allen.

 

[NewEra]

13 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Fair enough. But its more likely he would have taken Rosen, Mayfield, or Darnold if Allen was gone.

 

GM that took Mayfield - fired

GM that took Rosen and Murray - fired

GM that took Darnold- fired

 

Miss on a first round QB is a career death blow.

 

Never ever have I said he was inept. I just push back on the he is a genius nonsense and that he is infallible in some way because he drafted Allen.

 

We have no idea what would’ve happened.  No idea if we would’ve traded up or stayed at 12 and drafted Lamar.  But you can pretend to know