Nathaniel Hacket - Payton's comments..

[eball]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Yes it did change in Jacksonville because he took a guy who's not in the NFL and helped him throw 35 touchdowns which would have been a record in Buffalo

 

He's had success in the NFL and success with Aaron Rodgers.. 

 

He has wayyy more clout and respect in the NFL than Dorsey who got fired as QB coach of Carolina...

Hackett earned promotions as QB coach of the jaguars ... Became OC and QB coach with Blake bortles 

 

Got a job working with Rodgers as OC.   Excelled again ..   then a HC where he failed with a QB who gave up

 

He has successful stops at Jacksonville and GB as a OC and QB coach ... That's more than Dorsey who was fired and outta football after Carolina and Dorsey needs allen

 

Yours is literally the first hard-on for Nate Hackett I’ve ever witnessed.  The guy is a walking example of nepotism.

 

If “Dorsey needs Allen” then most certainly “Nate needs Rodgers.”  One blip of a season with Blake Bortles didn’t make Nate a genius.

 

[CSBill]

I just hope Nate Hackett sucks as a play caller on September 11, 2023!

[Doc Brown]

48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And probably a bit of all 3.... plus Rodgers's general level of interest which was low to middling last season. That is my biggest thing on the whole Jets hype train. Their schedule is a tough start with an easier home stretch. If they are 2-5 or something Aaron Rodgers isn't gonna be a Tom Brady that goes around that locker room and fires guys up to get better. He will sit in a corner, sulk, and become disengaged. Because that is who he is. 

To play devil's advocate though, Rodgers seems to be a vindictive person and may want to show Green Bay management that if they treated him better he'd have been the model quarterback we're seeing so far with the Jets.  He's shown up to OTA's, he's taken a massive pay cut, and he's at least pretended to show interest in bonding with his younger WR's.  All things he refused to do with the Packers.  Even if the Jets start 2-5, Rodgers has shown the ability in the past to dig his team out of a hole including that famous "Relax" quote.  It's going to be a very interesting season with them no matter what.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

To play devil's advocate though, Rodgers seems to be a vindictive person and may want to show Green Bay management that if they treated him better he'd have been the model quarterback we're seeing so far with the Jets.  He's shown up to OTA's, he's taken a massive pay cut, and he's at least pretended to show interest in bonding with his younger WR's.  All things he refused to do with the Packers.  Even if the Jets start 2-5, Rodgers has shown the ability in the past to dig his team out of a hole including that famous "Relax" quote.  It's going to be a very interesting season with them no matter what.

 

True, but I think that is all superficial and face value. When the going gets tough Aaron Rodgers isn't the guy I'd want. Despite his all-worldly talent. They were only 1-2 when he did the whole R-E-L-A-X thing. 

 

And whether he took a pay cut or not depends how long he plays. If he plays the entire contract he didn't take a paycut. I don't expect he will so in practice he probably will have left $35m on the table. But he took a guarantee cut not an overall value of the contract cut. 

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Orton was NOT one of the worst two QBs we have had in decades. That is a crazy take. 2013 where they had EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis and Jeff Tuel that might be legit the worst QB room of any team in my 20 plus years watching the NFL. But Orton in 2014 was a serviceable NFL starter. Not a superstar, by any means, but a serviceable starter. And to be fair with zero run game to speak of Hackett managed to get production out of that offense. Behind Fitz, Tyrod and half a season of Bledsoe he was the 4th best of the drought era.

 

My main issue with Hackett when he was here was his total unwillingness to pass on first down. 

 

Now that I think about it, I forgot about Holcomb and Edwards, who were both bad, worse.  

 

Very fair points.  I should have thought that through a bit more.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

Now that I think about it, I forgot about Holcomb and Edwards, who were both bad, worse.  

 

Very fair points.  I should have thought that through a bit more.  

 

And Losman, and Peterman, and Brohm. No one was confusing Orton with a long term answer but as a stopgap on a team that otherwise around him had enough talent to make the playoffs - ferocious pass rush, decent secondary, weapons at receiver... he at least gave that team a shot. Had theystuck with EJ they wouldn't have had that shot. Had the started Orton week 1 they likely make the playoffs. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Sorry the talk of him here acts like he should be a high school coach or division 3 coach

 

The dude since he was 20 something years old has been super highly regarded by most in the game of football

 

And as accomplished more in the game than every single person here

 

The same way people trashed David culley here.. who also became a head coach

 

And I've spent time around both of them in the last 15 years and they know more about the game of football than every person here

 

People trash them like he's their kids pop warner coach

 

He coached Blake bortles to what would have been Buffalo bills records.. he's not a ***** bum .. which is why he keeps getting job

 

At worst he has a much better resume than our own quarterback coach and OC and is a better quarterback coach than both

 

I certainly think Hackett would do as good as Dorsey if not better as the offensive coordinator

 

 

 

Serious question, are you related to Hackett?

[Billsatlastin2018]

Paton is 100% correct! Hackett was beyond abysmal as HC.

 

However, in HIS role, keep your inner voice restrained!

[Beast]

13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I honestly don’t know who would win in a fight between Hackett and Payton.

 

Im leaning Hackett because of age…and that’s it.  

I don’t like either one so I would just root that both would land some haymakers.

[DCofNC]

15 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considered Bust blake bortles had his best career years with Hackett as his QB coach and OC

 

Went to a pro bowl and threw for over 4000 yards and 35 tds

 

Bills fans would've went nuts for that before Allen emerged 

That’s because,

1) they had weapons.

2) Bortles for all his faults, was a gun slinger and caused trouble with his legs to open things up.  
3) Played against pitiful defenses.

4) Hacket runs a college scheme, which fit Bortles limitations. 

 

What happened the next season?

[DCofNC]

3 hours ago, eball said:

 

Yours is literally the first hard-on for Nate Hackett I’ve ever witnessed.  The guy is a walking example of nepotism.

 

If “Dorsey needs Allen” then most certainly “Nate needs Rodgers.”  One blip of a season with Blake Bortles didn’t make Nate a genius.

 

Nailed it.  If it wasn’t for Daddy’s name, he wouldn’t even have made college ranks.  He got a job at Cuse with a buddy, Buffalo dragged them up to a league they didn’t belong in.  Most Bills fans couldn’t wait to get rid of them and then the dumpster fire of Florida signed them, more good ole boys club BS (yay for us), they had a singular good season before all the weapons left.  They then ran that team into the ground.   Hacket managed to fail his way up and become buddies with Rodgers, so much so, that he became a prerequisite for Rodgers to sign.. until money talked.. then he ruined Russ and the Broncos, now he’s back to Rodgers.  
 

The guy may “know” football, but that doesn’t mean he is NFL material, which it’s blatantly obvious, he is not.  His schemes are high level HS ball, mid-tier college at best.  Without the perfect storm, they fail miserably in the NFL and it’s because it’s plans predicated on 1970s football.

[78thealltimegreat]

Somehow Sean Payton who signed the most lucrative contract a coach has ever signed in the NFL and was literally suspended for putting bounties on players is now throwing other coaches under the bus.
Since it is Nate Hackett who literally couldn’t coordinate a 7th grade field trip to the zoo I guess it’s ok. 

Edited August 2, 2023 by 78thealltimegreat

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Hacket was terrible in Buffalo and the passing of time will not change that.  Payton's comments were spot on but they were not in good taste.

[The Jokeman]

17 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

During Hacket's time as the Bills OC, many posters here felt that he was a pitiful OC .. l

 

Would this still be true today or has our animosity for him waned?

The problem is Marrone was a first year HC with a first year OC. I felt Hackett would have been better served as QB coach alone with a more seasoned OC help out. Ultimately it was a bad choice for OC, now he has been in the league longer and had some relative success but hard to fail when Rodgers is your QB. Honestly I wouldn't want him here as think Dorsey did better than most here feel all things considered. 

[PBF81]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

And Losman, and Peterman, and Brohm. No one was confusing Orton with a long term answer but as a stopgap on a team that otherwise around him had enough talent to make the playoffs - ferocious pass rush, decent secondary, weapons at receiver... he at least gave that team a shot. Had theystuck with EJ they wouldn't have had that shot. Had the started Orton week 1 they likely make the playoffs. 

 

Ah yes, I forgot about Losman as well.  That four year stretch with those guys ...   I wouldn't count Peterman or Brohm as I was primarily thinking of QBs  that only started most or all of a season.  

 

As to the team, sounds like you are saying that the D carried the team however.  

 

Orton was OK, but even then an average QB at best.  BTW, that was his last season and he hadn't started for several years prior to then.   

 

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Ah yes, I forgot about Losman as well.  That four year stretch with those guys ...   I wouldn't count Peterman or Brohm as I was primarily thinking of QBs  that only started most or all of a season.  

 

As to the team, sounds like you are saying that the D carried the team however.  

 

Orton was OK, but even then an average QB at best.  BTW, that was his last season and he hadn't started for several years prior to then.   

 

 

Yea he was just serviceable. He had become the go to gun for hire when teams had an urgent need.... started a few games for KC in their year of multiple QBs, started for Dallas during one of Romo's injuries and then came here to start when they realised in camp that EJ was all over the place. There is always at any time a guy like that in the league. It is probably Baker Mayfield at the moment.

[Nextmanup]

19 hours ago, Blank Stare said:

Yes, would still be true today. He was a terrible OC. He was a terrible HC. Without Rodgers, he’s nothing. If Rodgers is washed (which I’m not sure he is), look out. 

Rodgers is not washed.

 

Hackett is terrible.

 

It will take FOREVER for this guy to be flushed out of the league, however.

He's in the club now and these guys stay in the club forever, regardless of performance.

 

 

[dpberr]

Nate Hackett is by all measure, a smart man but a bad coach.  The greater NFL fraternity also really likes and respects his dad.  

 

Nate Hackett has an air of Luis Castillo coaching invincibility.  No matter how bad he is at his job, do not fear, he *will* be hired for another one.  

 

You can almost hear Hugo Weaving - You hear that Mr. Anderson?  That is the sound of inevitability."

[Rocky Landing]

19 hours ago, wppete said:

When Hacket was here the offense was basically this.

 

1st Down - Run

2nd Down - Run

3rd Down - Pass

4th Down - Punt

 

it was bad. No creativity or aggressiveness. Very predictable. 

Yes. I used to refer to this as the "RRPP Offense."

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea he was just serviceable. He had become the go to gun for hire when teams had an urgent need.... started a few games for KC in their year of multiple QBs, started for Dallas during one of Romo's injuries and then came here to start when they realised in camp that EJ was all over the place. There is always at any time a guy like that in the league. It is probably Baker Mayfield at the moment.

 

9-7 on the merits of the D then?