Nathaniel Hacket - Payton's comments..

[Spiderweb]

During Hacket's time as the Bills OC, many posters here felt that he was a pitiful OC .. l

 

Would this still be true today or has our animosity for him waned?

[Blank Stare]

Yes, would still be true today. He was a terrible OC. He was a terrible HC. Without Rodgers, he’s nothing. If Rodgers is washed (which I’m not sure he is), look out. 

[Augie]

I think Hackett is what he is, and it’s nothing more than ordinary. The EXTRAORDINARY was the comments from Payton. What an idiotic thing to do!  

 

I thought Payton had some genius, but he’s made me question him more now. 

[947]

Nothing Payton said about Hackett was wrong. Was it in poor taste to air it publicly like that? Absolutely, but it isn't like he made the stuff up, everyone could see the Broncos were the pinnacle of dysfunction in 2022.

 

I imagine it came from a place of frustration after seeing just how bad things were at Mile High when Payton arrived. I'd be surprised if Hackett is employed by an NFL team once Rodgers retires.

 

 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, 947 said:

Nothing Payton said about Hackett was wrong. Was it in poor taste to air it publicly like that? Absolutely, but it isn't like he made the stuff up, everyone could see the Broncos were the pinnacle of dysfunction in 2022.

 

I imagine it came from a place of frustration after seeing just how bad things were at Mile High when Payton arrived. I'd be surprised if Hackett is employed by an NFL team once Rodgers retires.

 

 

 

Payton did nothing but put pressure on himself. He was to a large degree trying to protect his QB, but it was certainly not well thought out. Plus, if it was REALLY THAT BAD, we must have a good enough roster to WIN WAY MORE GAMES!  Go ahead, exceed expectations now.

 

It felt a little like Rex trying to win the offseason, and I don’t find that to be a good feeling. 

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Blank Stare said:

Yes, would still be true today. He was a terrible OC. He was a terrible HC. Without Rodgers, he’s nothing. If Rodgers is washed (which I’m not sure he is), look out. 

Considered Bust blake bortles had his best career years with Hackett as his QB coach and OC

 

Went to a pro bowl and threw for over 4000 yards and 35 tds

 

Bills fans would've went nuts for that before Allen emerged 

[Charles Romes]

I thought the job he did propping up Orton off the couch with a few weeks to go before the season after finally convincing Whaley that EJ couldn’t play - as well as Tuell, Thad etc was pretty good. 

[MJS]

I thought it was a terrible hire for the Broncos and was not surprised by how terrible he did. I think he is not qualified to be an offensive coordinator either, but I think it is less x's and o's and more his temperament and leadership ability, or lack thereof. But Rodgers likes him, so he has that going for him.

Edited August 1, 2023 by MJS

[wppete]

When Hacket was here the offense was basically this.

 

1st Down - Run

2nd Down - Run

3rd Down - Pass

4th Down - Punt

 

it was bad. No creativity or aggressiveness. Very predictable. 

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, wppete said:

When Hacket was here the offense was basically this.

 

1st Down - Run

2nd Down - Run

3rd Down - Pass

4th Down - Punt

 

it was bad. No creativity or aggressiveness. Very predictable. 

 

I think the average Bills fans would have appreciated the occasional punt on third down, just to break up the monotony. 

[Goin Breakdown]

I just don't think he can hac.....ehh nevermind. 

[FLFan]

Payton is a self aggrandizing clown, but that does not make him wrong.

[Mr. WEO]

he's still a bum so, no.

[Your Brown Eye]

Did not need to air the dirty laundry, right or wrong.

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Considered Bust blake bortles had his best career years with Hackett as his QB coach and OC

 

Went to a pro bowl and threw for over 4000 yards and 35 tds

 

Bills fans would've went nuts for that before Allen emerged 

Exactly.  The cognitive dissonance around here regarding Hackett and Rodgers is off the charts.  “Hackett was a terrible OC, and he could really be screwed because Rodgers may be falling off a cliff based off the season he had last year…without Hackett who was his OC when he won back to back MVPs right before Hackett left.”

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Spiderweb said:

During Hacket's time as the Bills OC, many posters here felt that he was a pitiful OC .. l

 

Would this still be true today or has our animosity for him waned?

 

When Hackett was in Buffalo, the general feeling was he was a dingleberry to Doug Marrone - that Marrone was the OC in fact while he was the OC in name.  If I remember correctly one rumor was that he had a bunch of creative plays drawn up that he wanted to run and Marrone put the kibbosh on it.

 

1 hour ago, wppete said:

When Hacket was here the offense was basically this.

 

1st Down - Run

2nd Down - Run

3rd Down - Pass

4th Down - Punt

 

it was bad. No creativity or aggressiveness. Very predictable. 

 

But was that Hackett, or was that "St Doug" Marrone?

 

Rumor was, with the Bills, Marrone was quite the control freak with his fingers over every aspect.  PR, OC, OL....

[BuffaloBillyG]

Hackett probably has his finer points and is an asset. I'm sure some will joke about his coffee making skills but I would think to last this long in the NFL he's gotta bring something to the table.

 

We know it's not play design or game flow. Maybe he's really good at breaking down film or working with the mechanics of certain position groups. But he does seem to land in places that have some success. 

 

That said my view of him is he's likely the kind of coach that does well with limited duties and is a decent OC under an offensive minded coach that handles the playcalls. He's not going to be getting the same guidance and help from Saleh on that side of the ball that he had im Green Bay. 

[machine gun kelly]

2 hours ago, Blank Stare said:

Yes, would still be true today. He was a terrible OC. He was a terrible HC. Without Rodgers, he’s nothing. If Rodgers is washed (which I’m not sure he is), look out. 

Tell us what you really think

[Royale with Cheese]

I honestly don’t know who would win in a fight between Hackett and Payton.

 

Im leaning Hackett because of age…and that’s it.  

[NoSaint]

37 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Hackett probably has his finer points and is an asset. I'm sure some will joke about his coffee making skills but I would think to last this long in the NFL he's gotta bring something to the table.

 

We know it's not play design or game flow. Maybe he's really good at breaking down film or working with the mechanics of certain position groups. But he does seem to land in places that have some success. 

 

That said my view of him is he's likely the kind of coach that does well with limited duties and is a decent OC under an offensive minded coach that handles the playcalls. He's not going to be getting the same guidance and help from Saleh on that side of the ball that he had im Green Bay. 

he still has Rodgers who will treat him like a kid brother and do whatever he wants with the offense 

 

you have to believe Rodgers just wants a guy that can let him freelance while kind of steering the guys around him back into line a little.