Training Camp 8/1 9:45

[BananaB]

23 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Connor McGovern is not a DEpth player

He’s the one guy. No one knows where Torrence will be early September 

[wppete]

20 minutes ago, Lost said:

 

Tommy Doyle has 100% catch rate with the Bills

Is Tommy Doyle fully healthy? Haven’t heard anything about him this off-season. 

[balln]

36 minutes ago, BillsFanInRaleigh said:

apparently Dawkins was beat quite a bit yesterday as well

Go back and watch cincy playoff game. Dawkins was worse than saffold and Spencer all year. He looked f*cking awfuk. He’s gonna be out of here in 1-2 years 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

This.  He was a 5th round pick..  It's not absurd to cut or trade him.   I think a lot of us were blinded by the overreaction of the draft community to us getting him where we did.  

 

 

I would be more upset, because he was actually getting targeted towards the end of the season and making the most of them
 

Can we please not act like this guy has not had any NFL time?

[NewEra]

25 minutes ago, BananaB said:

We basically added one guy to our oline, other than that it’s just depth. Maybe Torrence will pan out but having a rookie next to Brown is very scary. All the depth players we sign don’t do anything to help the starting lineup, and that what we need. 

We added 2 guys to the IOL.  McGovern and Torrance can both be major upgrades.  They can also flop.  We don’t know what they are yet.  Let’s not pretend that we know.  
 

It’s just depth if they don’t pan out. If they do, we added 2 solid starters.  Wait and see before declaring them busts.  Because that’s what you’re doing when you say all we added was depth.  There’s a chance we added 2 solid starters. 
 

I would’ve loved to add a RT.  That was my #2 need this offseason behind an offensive playmaker.   They didn’t and we might pay the price for that.  I don’t trust Spencer Brown and I think his improvement or lack thereof may determine our fate this season.  

at this point all we can do is hope that Beane was right about Brown

[Don Otreply]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

Is Tommy Doyle fully healthy? Haven’t heard anything about him this off-season. 

Knee injury last season, likely not ready to participate, 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

This is training camp.

Some days the offense looks really good and we worry about the defense.

Other days the defense looks really good and we worry about the offense.

When things start to become a trend -- like if we start hearing that the offensive line struggles multiple days in a row or the corners can't cover anyone -- THEN it can become a concern.

 

Yeah and lets not forget both the offense and defense have essentially been amongst the best units in the NFL respectively the past 3 seasons too.  So they both should have their good days and bad days vs another top end unit.  

[wppete]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Knee injury last season, likely not ready to participate, 

Back for the end of season playoff push? Hope so. 

[78thealltimegreat]

Shakur was a 5th round pick so I take his reports with a grain of salt. I think if Buffalo didn’t lead the league in drops and literally have the National Media now creating the narrative that Josh has no help outside 14 this wouldn’t be a big deal but this kinda stuff will now be magnified as it should. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm about done with Shakir at this point. You can't have below average physical gifts and below average hands and still be successful in this league. Allen has had too many incredible plays dropped by his pass catchers since he was a rookie. I'm so over it.

 

Way too much over reaction going on to some camp practices with unreliable reports where people don't have the luxury of NFL game coverage to see the angles of what really happened.  Like did the defender deflect the ball first, knock the ball away, etc.  

 

He still has to earn his role, but to write him off over some tweets by people who we have no idea if they can even see everything happening on each play is premature IMHO.  

[Bangarang]

19 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He's projected to get significant tick id say a little concern is warranted

Significant tick? Where? He’s not an outside receiver and Kinkaid is going to be living in the slot. He’s a bottom of the depth chart guy so his snaps will likely reflect that.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Couldn’t get out there. So I missed my chance.

 

 

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, MWK said:

Almost like we should have brought in some real competition for him.

 

 

 

Has anyone heard how Brandon Shell has been? 

[GoBills808]

3 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Significant tick? Where? He’s not an outside receiver and Kinkaid is going to be living in the slot. He’s a bottom of the depth chart guy so his snaps will likely reflect that.

You really think he's going to be at the bottom of the depth chart, I don't

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Shakur was a 5th round pick so I take his reports with a grain of salt. I think if Buffalo didn’t lead the league in drops and literally have the National Media now creating the narrative that Josh has no help outside 14 this wouldn’t be a big deal but this kinda stuff will now be magnified as it should. 

Kincaid and Cook will be enough as long as the OL holds up.  
 

I think Harty will make several big plays this season.  
 

I think Sherfields versatility and run blocking will get him some run.  
 

By all accounts Gabe Davis has looked better than ever so far this training camp.

 

 

 

 

 

If we stay healthy and Spencer Brown isn’t a detriment we have as good a shot as anyone imo
 

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

He dropped a big play late in the season... forgot who it was against.  

 

This was not an easy catch by any means and I have seen all of our WR's, including Diggs drop much easier ones.  Shakir gets way too much flack for this one drop everyone always brings up IMHO.

 

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

I'm just not sold on him.  Harty has elite speed and playmaking ability.  Sherfield is solid and an elite blocking WR.  Those two compliment Diggs and Davis, seemingly, very well.  

 

This is legit, I have been telling people all offseason that Sherfield and Harty and better than people think, although the injury concern with Harty is also significant.  But they will have roles on this team, and Kincaid is going to as well.  So even if Shakir is kind of the default slot guy like McKenzie was last year, he will still need to make plays to be involved with any consistency.  

 

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

Shakir, from what I remember, struggled heavily in blocking as a rookie and is kind of a tweener body type.  Talented player in space, but we have Diggs, Davis, Cook, Knox, Kincaid etc., to feed before we focus on getting the ball to Shakir on designed plays.  

 

Rookie contract may be his saving grace, but he seems to be struggling a bit more than I'd like to hear for a second year player in this system.  

 

Reports on him are conflicting...seems some think he has been solid others seem to think he has struggled.  I think the real evaluation will come with preseason because he will get a lot of opportunities to play given they are going to sit Diggs and Davis a lot of the preseason.  

 

I still think he is a promising player, I was high on him coming out of college, he was projected as high as the 2nd round, and multiple GM's did not like he slipped to us in the 5th round either.  But he had limited reps last year and involvement in the offense, so he still has to get comfortable and work his way in.  Its on him to earn his reps though, they won't be handed to him, there are a lot of mouths to feed on this offense now.  

[BADOLBILZ]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

This was not an easy catch by any means and I have seen all of our WR's, including Diggs drop much easier ones.  Shakir gets way too much flack for this one drop everyone always brings up IMHO.

 

 

This is legit, I have been telling people all offseason that Sherfield and Harty and better than people think, although the injury concern with Harty is also significant.  But they will have roles on this team, and Kincaid is going to as well.  So even if Shakir is kind of the default slot guy like McKenzie was last year, he will still need to make plays to be involved with any consistency.  

 

 

Reports on him are conflicting...seems some think he has been solid others seem to think he has struggled.  I think the real evaluation will come with preseason because he will get a lot of opportunities to play given they are going to sit Diggs and Davis a lot of the preseason.  

 

I still think he is a promising player, I was high on him coming out of college, he was projected as high as the 2nd round, and multiple GM's did not like he slipped to us in the 5th round either.  But he had limited reps last year and involvement in the offense, so he still has to get comfortable and work his way in.  Its on him to earn his reps though, they won't be handed to him, there are a lot of mouths to feed on this offense now.  

 

 

The injury concern with Sharty is everything.  He's basically always been hurt.   Even the 1 year he had some measurable receiving yardage he missed games injured.   He's had like a dozen inury/re-injury situations with his hammies.   He was re-injuring them in the offseasons even.   Missing almost all of last season with turf toe was only the latest concern for a 5'6" guy who needs to be lightning quick/fast to be of any use in the NFL.    If he stays healthy he is a nice player to have.   It just seems unlikely.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

38 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

He’s a 5th round pick in his 2nd training camp. Maybe people should manage their expectations better so they wouldn’t feel like they are relying on a player like that.

Well that's exactly what HappyDays and Badolbilz are doing for us, managing our expectations and helping us understand these guys are just not very good.

 

A LOT of people here have expressed a LOT of optimism about Kahlil Shakir this offseason.

[gonzo1105]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The injury concern with Sharty is everything.  He's basically always been hurt.   Even the 1 year he had some measurable receiving yardage he missed games injured.   He's had like a dozen inury/re-injury situations with his hammies.   He was re-injuring them in the offseasons even.   Missing almost all of last season with turf toe was only the latest concern for a 5'6" guy who needs to be lightning quick/fast to be of any use in the NFL.    If he stays healthy he is a nice player to have.   It just seems unlikely.

 

Haha you said Sharty 🤣

[78thealltimegreat]

14 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Kincaid and Cook will be enough as long as the OL holds up.  
 

I think Harty will make several big plays this season.  
 

I think Sherfields versatility and run blocking will get him some run.  
 

By all accounts Gabe Davis has looked better than ever so far this training camp.

 

 

 

 

 

If we stay healthy and Spencer Brown isn’t a detriment we have as good a shot as anyone imo
 

 

Oh I think they are as good as anyone but the receiver question is going to linger on till they finally win one