Training Camp 8/1 9:45

[Beck Water]

4 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Brown reminds me of Torell Troup. Troup looked good early on with the Bills, but had a bad back injury which derailed his career. I’m hoping Brown will be able to fully recover and have a solid career as a RT for the Bills, but the reports so far in this year’s camp are worrisome.

 

Well, Brown did start 14 regular season and 2 playoff games for the Bills last season after post-season back surgery.

 

I think they're similar just in having had a back injury, which isn't that uncommon for OLman

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Lost said:

JA17 post practice interview with Kay Adams.   I think she's smitten by him

 

 

I just watched one bills live and then this and yea..... is she coked out or something because she's all over the place.

[Big Blitz]

I have zero doubt in my mind if this defense actually plays together fully healthy it could be the best defense we’ve had under McD.  
 

We could possibly have 3 CB1s (I’m still confident in Elam and what they’re saying about Benford confirms why this is such a battle for the job).  
 

Stacked at DT with a great rotation set up.  
 

DE minus Von - all depends on Groot - why he’s getting reps at DT is very intriguing.  I’ve read multiple times he’s lined up there but nothing more.  Groot and Oliver up the middle with Von and AJ (maybe this is the year) coming off the edge on pass downs could be horrifying for offenses.  
 

 

Only question of course is MLB.  

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

why he’s getting reps at DT is very intriguing.

 

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[stevewin]

15 minutes ago, Lost said:

JA17 post practice interview with Kay Adams.   I think she's smitten by him

 

 

Who isn't?  😛

[RobbRiddick]

1 minute ago, stevewin said:

Who isn't?  😛

Every time I see her she looks radically different from the last time. She's like the female Michael Jackson. Oh wait, that was Latoya wasn't it

[Big Blitz]

9 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

<Leonard Floyd has entered the chat>

 

Oh I didn’t forget him - feels like I’ve just read half a dozen “AJ blows by *Tackle* to disrupt the play posts.  

Edited August 1, 2023 by Big Blitz

[stevewin]

4 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

Every time I see her she looks radically different from the last time. She's like the female Michael Jackson. Oh wait, that was Latoya wasn't it

I was talking about Josh

[RobbRiddick]

7 minutes ago, stevewin said:

I was talking about Josh

I know. And I agree, he's dreamy

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, The Wiz said:

 

If you have an erection lasting more than two hours, contact a medical professional immediately

 

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If you have an erection lasting more than two hours, contact a medical professional immediately

 

Or call Kincaid since he knows how handle balls.

Edited August 1, 2023 by The Wiz

[rusty shackleford]

20 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If you have an erection lasting more than two hours, contact a medical professional immediately

 

I read your comment before looking at what you quoted and just assumed it was the Kay Adams clip.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yeah I believe soft tissue injuries can be significantly reduced by good training.   We've seen it first hand.  When Wade Phillips took over the Bills in 1998 with his hands-off player-coach approach the team immediately started pulling hammies left and right.   It's fluctuated from coach to coach since, depending on their attention to detail.   The McDermott Bills have very few such injuries compared to the Rex Ryan Bills.

 

 

My concern is that Harty has just had so many that he might not be able to get back to a good baseline.  The player also really has to want to.   Fans think these guys eat great, stretch extensively and sleep in a hyperbaric chamber every night to avoid injuries but I know from knowing that the players who go to great lengths to make sure they stay on the field every day are actually the minority.    And a turf toe bad enough to require season ending surgery is a fairly significant injury and considerable risk for re-injury that can take some mph off of a speed player.    It was a curious decision by Beane to pay that price for him.   He surely seemed like a $1.7M flyer type given his lack of success and injury history.

 

All fair points, and agree, the player does need to want it and make that commitment.  I have no frame of reference on Harty's commitment to this, but I would just assume if Beane brought him in they felt like he had the right attitude and work ethic to be here.  But again, that is just an assumption based on what Beane and McD seem to typically look for in their players.  

 

If he can stay healthy, I think he could be dangerous weapon with Allens arm, but if he does go down, I think there is enough talent to make up for it to still put pressure on defenses at all 3 levels.  Diggs and Davis still are deep threats in their own right, and Kincaid should be able to put pressure and stretch the seem.  

 

At least the news out of camp so far has been pretty positive in terms of Harty, so hoping the change of scenery, facilities, and staff help him find better ways to keep his body up and him on the field.  

 

 

[HappyDays]

 

[BillsSbSoon]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

DE minus Von - all depends on Groot - why he’s getting reps at DT is very intriguing.  I’ve read multiple times he’s lined up there but nothing more.  Groot and Oliver up the middle with Von and AJ (maybe this is the year) coming off the edge on pass downs could be horrifying for offenses.  
 

 

Only question of course is MLB.  

That’s where groot arguably did his best work in college was coming from the inside on 3rd/passing downs. He’s too quick for most interior lineman to be able to handle. I think Frazier wanted to do it more than he did last year but it went out the window when von went down

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

Random observations from practice today:

 

- Shorter out there again early on JUGS machine - spent a long time doing nothing but over the shoulder which I had never seen anyone do so long on a JUGS machine before.  Isabella joined him later - did all his reps while high stepping.  These two seem to work hard am rooting for them both

- Tre and Elam went over to JUGS next - Tre in bare feet.  He also walked out onto the field in bare feet - that's definitely the first time I've seen that

- Shakir has signed for everyone last two days at VIP fence before tunnel.  A couple guys flagged down Floyd and each had an 8x10 of him with the Rams, and at first I was thinking wow there's a couple serious Leonard Floyd fans - then I saw later they had a whole portfolio of 8x10s of players and they would bring out the proper pic as players walked by.  Later I saw them talking to DJ Milk - figure maybe it was for charity or something vs them just selling for profit later

- Each day when Kyle Allen runs out there's a big cheer then pause then chorus of laughter when people realize it is not Josh.  Do people not know Josh's number?

- Before stretch they did half speed goal line - with defense not trying they still absent-mindedly knocked down a shovel pass.  It seems offense is intent on making the goal line shovel pass a thing

- During the stretch a trainer was off with Josh working on his arm again - I assume that is a daily routine now to stretch him out vs it being treatment for something bothering him

- Majority defense off to side field, STs work and offense working on run plays

- Diggs with nothing much to do on far side during this period throws a ball into the stands then mostly trolls them the rest of the time after he's worked kids into a frenzy "Diggs! Diggs! Diggs!"  trying to get him to throw another (never understood why kids scream a players last name for attention/autographs - comes off as rude to me)

- Never seen so many people in VIP area in front of far stands - 4-5 deep.  Until recently the far last section of stands was also reserved for VIP which was sweet if you were in that group - could watch practice from stands then wander down to field level if you wanted - now all stands are general

- Another long boring ST session - OL doing drills far EZ, QBs practicing movment in pocket drills

- QBs throwing to TEs against air, WRs doing a drill getting hit with pad about 5yds from release.  In previous years with Chad Hall I remember the receivers doing a ton of hand fighting and very physical get off the line drills against press punishment - haven't seen that this camp the two practices I've been to

- Kincaid makes a nice one handed grab gets a rise out of crowd - looks like he stumbled just a bit on his break and recovered with one hand stab

- Caught a T-shirt

- QBs rotating w/ WRs against air.  Josh and DIggs had a long discussion after one rep

- Full def comes back - OL/DL batttles one side, more ST middle, far left WR/DB 1-1s at goal line

- I missed a lot of the 1-1 battles (one of my favorite parts) because stupid people standing in the aisle and constant traffic in/out of my row (get off my lawn).  Few that I saw

   - Isabella held by Benford after nice release

   - Harty beats Jackson to the corner

   - Neal shut down Davis not sure wth Davis was doing dancing around

   - Shorter nice over the shoulder corner route over Ingram (same thing he was practicing on JUGS)

   - Cam Lewis nice PBU on Shakir

   - Diggs abuses Tre quick slant.  Nasty

- 11-11 - this session was almost exclusively dedicated to runs - included

   - Cook nice speed outside

   - Murray gets around edge nice gain

   - Barkley (the one pass) nice rollout to Morris - same play as yesterday

   - Barkley fumble snap

   - Spector awesome stuff on RB for TFL

   - Another TFL up middle didn't get number

   - One other attempted pass defense just engulfed Josh immediately - whistle blows for sack and in frustration Josh jumps and fires a 30 yd laser sidearm which hits Diggs in the numbers

   - Tre TFL coming off edge

   - Murray nice run up the middle - one of the few times anything got through the middle of the line

- Offense walk through of plays against air - started out with 4-5 diff screens - then just WRs doing respective routes for play call

- Some more 11-11, not sure if goal was to make a first 3rd and long each time - included

   - Harty gets lit up over middle by Rapp short of 1st

   - Sweet bullet by Josh to Davis between defenders

   - Sack

   - 20 yds Sahkir

   - Diggs beats Tre sideline

   - Josh throws long but misses Kincaid short who got behind entire defense by 5 yds would have been easy TD (Hamlin was one safety not sure who the other was)

   - Oliver chases Josh right back into line of players watching - hardly had time to react

   - Epenesa comes untouched - Josh had a few words for Dion

   - Epenesa looks fast the times I've noticed him (even with actual players impeding his way) - haven't noticed Basham at all

   - Cam Lewis lights up murray - crazy good hit - made a very big man go flying

   - Next play Murray gets ball in flat and turning up field could see he was looking for revenge - and revenge he got - stiff armed Dane into the ground and possibly further

   - At one point Diggs caught a contested sideline catch against Elam, started upfield, then turned around and stopped and stared at him before continuing up the field 😛 

   - Josh throws a rocket - a ROCKET - to Davis flying down the sideline who stretches out and makes a beautiful catch with his fingertips in stride.  Looked like defenders might have let up after he caught instead of trying to light him up, so live action might have been tackled before taking it to house.  When Josh let it rip my first thought was he is PISSED (the O was not clicking) and just whipped that ball as hard as he could.  It was one of those throws you shake your head afterwards and mutter "oh my god"

   - Cook nice catch out of backfield and upfield turn.  He is so natural catching the ball and getting right upfield - will be exciting to see him involved more this year

   - Milano breaks up sideline pass to Kincaid.  Splitting hairs, but Kincaid didn't make the best play on the ball from what I saw - kind of let it hit him in the chest - but for sure elite play by Milano to stay on him step for step all the way down the field and break up the play

   - Josh flushed out, Cam Lewis sack consecutive plays

   - Josh bomb to Shakir - Lewis and Rapp both converge and knock ball away.  If ball was a few feet further Shakir would have had a better chance to hold on

- Overall D has just been taking it to O, but they have been throwing a lot of stuff at them -  I saw CB blitzes, zone blitzes with all diff DL dropping, players coming from everywhere.  While undoubtedly the idea is to get the O to learn under fire, I don't think they are getting as many quality live reps in passing game because a lot of the time a QB is under duress just checking down if they even get it off.  I guess that will come with time - or maybe some practices they will designate more vanilla D

- Shane Ray jumped out a few times - dude looks like a LB but is fast and strong - I learned pretty quick who #49 was and was able to stop having to reference roster sheet 

- It will make for a nice scene in the Disney film - but Hamlin's "int" was def not a pick six 1) Whistle blew, play was dead 2) QB just chucked the ball in the air in frustration after play was dead and ball just floats to Hamlin playing centerfield 3) Hamlin starts running down the field with a convoy of defenders while most of offense just stands there thinking hey play was whistled sack 4) Quesenberry hustled over to knock him out of bounds way before the EZ just to make sure

- Just after Hamlin came off and the little dude from yesterday, his brother, came over and excitedly jumped all over him.  Was a nice scene.  His parents were also on the field

- Kyle Alen has not looked sharp the amount I've seen him

- Overall kind of a low energy practice IMO - with lots of sloppiness on offense - multiple delays, Offside, blown up plays - some to the credit of the D.  Didn't realize unti halfway thru that McD wasn't there - that might have had something to do w/ the overall lack of energy/execution 

- Didn't realize til after that Kay Adams was in the house - prob a good thing - if I knew I likely would have missed majority of actual practice with my binocs peeled on sideline trying to find her 😛 

 

 

 

 

 

Awesome write up, thanks for sharing!

 

Could you tell anything about what happened on the Josh throw to Kincaid that missed him short?  Was it some kind of communication error or is Josh having some technique issues?

[BullBuchanan]

7 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

More Butler interview:

 

Basically, I think what that translates to is saying Elam does not (yet) excel as an off-ball CB in the zone defense the Bills primarily rely on.

That ain't a good sign for a 1st round pick.

 

Whereas he's saying Benford really gets it when it comes to playing zone.

 

Anyone else see it differently?

It sounds like Elam is exactly who he was analyzed to be pre-draft which is not a fit for the system we run.

Hmmm...

[stevewin]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Awesome write up, thanks for sharing!

 

Could you tell anything about what happened on the Josh throw to Kincaid that missed him short?  Was it some kind of communication error or is Josh having some technique issues?

Not communication Josh just underthrew it - no sure if he had to short-arm it b/c of pressure (which was constant)

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

 

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Yep. I see Leonard as a pass rush specialist with Groot sliding down next to Oliver on those downs. 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

6 hours ago, wppete said:

Damn! I’ve never thought about formations with Dalton and Dawson in the backfield. This would be nuts. how do you defend something like this?

 

Dalton

Dawson

Josh

 

Diggs

Harty

Davis
 

 

they did some last week in the Diamond formation. That you can switch that to 11 personnel by putting Knox in line and Kincaid in the slot, or Knox and Kincaid on opposite sides as ends, or put them on the same side for an unbalanced formation, or send one to the line to block. You can attack a lot of ways once you get a personnel grouping that you like on the field.