Training Camp 7/30 9:45am

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, whorlnut said:

There were no bigger needs than offensive weapon and oline and Beane addressed both in the first two rounds. MLB was never a huge “need” for them and that showed during the draft. Just because some fans thought it was didn’t make it a reality. They never pulled the wool over anyones eyes when they kept saying they liked what they already had in house. 

I hope they are right about the candidates they have in-house… I WANT to be wrong about Bernard, but man he looks tiny out there and going with former UDFA Tyrell Dodson would seem desperate.  Now, maybe one or both can really play, I sure hope so.

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

But you lay some work down first.  

 

BTW, and for purposes of the discussion at hand, one of the ways in which Beane has been "original," is in getting a generational franchise QB and then doing next to nothing to build an effective OL in front of him both to protect him as well as to help him develop.  

 

Most GMs and all good GMS that have that kind of a QB realize the importance of protecting him and then do something significant about it besides a revolving door of journeymen OL-men, a 2nd-round pick, and a late 3rd-round pick in five drafts.   

 

So there's that originality as well.  

 

Just sayin'.  

 

 

[Jerry Jabber]

Every year, there are players that look good before the pads come on, then disappear after the pads come on. Also, there are some players that look great in TC/Pre-season, but bomb out in the regular season. Curious to see who’s the real deal, and who are the pretenders.

[muppy]

6 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Every year, there are players that look good before the pads come on, then disappear after the pads come on. Also, there are some players that look great in TC/Pre-season, but bomb out in the regular season. Curious to see who’s the real deal, and who are the pretenders.

wearing pads and getting after it Ones on Ones  separates the men from the boys. The cream will rise to the top.

 

The  Bills did spend significant capital on signing a guy like Leonard Floyd to our DL.  He is a name I am curious about moving forward. And his overall contribution to the defense we all hope will be significant.

[Turbo44]

16 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

BTW, and for purposes of the discussion at hand, one of the ways in which Beane has been "original," is in getting a generational franchise QB and then doing next to nothing to build an effective OL in front of him both to protect him as well as to help him develop.  

 

Most GMs and all good GMS that have that kind of a QB realize the importance of protecting him and then do something significant about it besides a revolving door of journeymen OL-men, a 2nd-round pick, and a late 3rd-round pick in five drafts.   

 

So there's that originality as well.  

 

Just sayin'.  

 

 

Look at Burrows line until last year and Mahomes in his first 2-3 years, both lower end O-lines, bordering on horrible in CIN's case. Both of those teams have taking steps in the last year or two to bolster the lines as has Beane this year. For instance PFF:

2019 BUF 21st, KC 16th, CIN 30th

2020 BUF 10th, KC 11th, CIN 30th

2021  BUF 16th, KC 6th (they finally concentrated on it), CIN 30th

Edited July 30, 2023 by Turbo44

[Turbo44]

11 minutes ago, muppy said:

wearing pads and getting after it Ones on Ones  separates the men from the boys. The cream will rise to the top.

 

The  Bills did spend significant capital on signing a guy like Leonard Floyd to our DL.  He is a name I am curious about moving forward. And his overall contribution to the defense we all hope will be significant.

Yep, I'm guessing Beane is counting on a bolstered D-line (Floyd, Ford, healthy Von, healthy Rousseau) along with a healthy 2ndary (Poyer, Hyde, White) to make up for the MLB hole.

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I think if Kincaid matches the hype in the regular season, I expect Davis to have a killer year but not volume of receptions.

 

Im thinking 50 receptions but agree on the other numbers.  He’s a good deep threat.  I would say he’s one of the best post route deep threat.
 

I don’t buy his ankle as the reason he dropped balls.  I could agree it slowed him up where he was a step and didn’t get to the ball as quickly.  But not when the ball hits both hands. 

ankle and hands. Different issues. Route running and drops.

 Both were concerns last year.

 

[eball]

1 hour ago, fergie's ire said:

What?  You don't miss the days of "original" drafting like picking a run of the mill safety with the 10th  pick of the draft or moving into the first round to pick a DT who was the third best DL on his Maryland team?  Or what about having zero talent on the team and being in desperate need of constructing a legit NFL roster and so using your early 1st round pick to get a "waterbug" running back.  Ahhhh, yes.  Original drafting.  Those were the days.

Well done. For the record, I think @PBF81 and @Einstein are one and the same. 
 

[3rdand12]

17 minutes ago, muppy said:

wearing pads and getting after it Ones on Ones  separates the men from the boys. The cream will rise to the top.

 

The  Bills did spend significant capital on signing a guy like Leonard Floyd to our DL.  He is a name I am curious about moving forward. And his overall contribution to the defense we all hope will be significant.

He and Poona might well be difference makers.

We will be saying good bye to one of the draft picks i feel.

 Basham ?

[BigAl2526]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Morse was the center, but to most people the problem with the exchange looked like it rested more with Josh.

I don't know how anyone can place blame based on the You Tube clip.  It is evident that Morse is the center on the play.  I spotted him after the play at the 13 second mark and got a better view at the 18 second mark, but whether the fault lies with Morse or with Allen, it's probably only those two who actually know, and those they admitted it to, of course.

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Nah. We’re yesterday’s news..

6pm tonight

[The Wiz]

 

 

[wppete]

Any word about rookie Alex Austin? Haven’t seen anything written about him. Would be huge if he impresses and makes this team. Would like to see him get a chance at Safety maybe a CB convert out of Oregon state to safety just like Poyer. He has the size and aggressiveness to go with athleticism. 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, whorlnut said:

There were no bigger needs than offensive weapon and oline and Beane addressed both in the first two rounds. MLB was never a huge “need” for them and that showed during the draft. Just because some fans thought it was didn’t make it a reality. They never pulled the wool over anyones eyes when they kept saying they liked what they already had in house. 

 

In fairness........they kinda' had to take what they had and like it at MLB.    Drafting another off-ball LB in round 1 after Edmunds never played up to the great expectations would have been asinine.    And they'd just used a starting grade pick on the position(a 1 starter position) in the last draft.   They apparently wanted Lavonte David and the price was right but he didn't want to leave Tampa.    Beane has really got this team in a jam cap-wise.   I think if a Taylor Rapp level of player at MLB had been willing to come in to play for $1.7M then it would likely be that players job to lose.   

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

BTW, and for purposes of the discussion at hand, one of the ways in which Beane has been "original," is in getting a generational franchise QB and then doing next to nothing to build an effective OL in front of him both to protect him as well as to help him develop.  

 

Most GMs and all good GMS that have that kind of a QB realize the importance of protecting him and then do something significant about it besides a revolving door of journeymen OL-men, a 2nd-round pick, and a late 3rd-round pick in five drafts.   

 

So there's that originality as well.  

 

Just sayin'.  

 

 

Not disagreeing…..Hurney/ Gettlemen /Newton

1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Every year, there are players that look good before the pads come on, then disappear after the pads come on. Also, there are some players that look great in TC/Pre-season, but bomb out in the regular season. Curious to see who’s the real deal, and who are the pretenders.

Same thing every single year. Winning training camp is just the last step of winning the off season. Tuel 😞

51 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Look at Burrows line until last year and Mahomes in his first 2-3 years, both lower end O-lines, bordering on horrible in CIN's case. Both of those teams have taking steps in the last year or two to bolster the lines as has Beane this year. For instance PFF:

2019 BUF 21st, KC 16th, CIN 30th

2020 BUF 10th, KC 11th, CIN 30th

2021  BUF 16th, KC 6th (they finally concentrated on it), CIN 30th

This is year six and Josh can’t be the leading rusher again. 

[Jerry Jabber]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Not disagreeing…..Hurney/ Gettlemen /Newton

Same thing every single year. Winning training camp is just the last step of winning the off season. Tuel 😞

This is year six and Josh can’t be the leading rusher again. 

Trent Edwards, Nathan Peterman and Keith Ellison all come to mind of players that looked great in August, but disappeared in the regular season.

Edited July 30, 2023 by Jerry Jabber

[HappyDays]

 

[wppete]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Love to hear that Cook is dominating out there. I think his rookie season was just a warm up. And love to see Poona and Settle in the middle making plays… we got some studs on that Dline.

[Special K]

28 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Nathan Peterson 

 

I don’t know who Nathan Peterson is, but I bet that even  he would be a better option at QB than Nathan Peterman!😀

[The Wiz]

 

It's finally here!