Burrow hurt UPDATE: Per Taylor: It’s a calf strain; will be out “several” weeks

[Mr. WEO]

  On 7/28/2023 at 12:31 PM, FireChans said:

This inconsistency is why the Broncos Seahawks Super Bowl was so terrible. Peyton and his WR’s basically played a different game with a different set of rules with how physical the Seahawks were allowed to play.

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Manning completed 69% of 43 passes.  The problem was he turned the ball over 3 times leading to 3 scores.

 

 

[FireChans]

  On 7/28/2023 at 1:42 PM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Manning completed 69% of 43 passes.  The problem was he turned the ball over 3 times leading to 3 scores.

 

 

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Sorry you’re not gonna convince me with that cherry picked stat, I watched the game.

 

Manning had 49 attempts for 280 yards.  Broncos didn’t get a first down til the 2nd Q.

[JerseyBills]

  On 7/28/2023 at 1:05 PM, Dillenger4 said:

Good. I find the Bungles to be the most pompous bunch of clowns in the AFC. Burrow is so fake it makes me puke. I hope he is OK though so we can pound the snot out of them this season. Watching Kincaid yesterday at SJF... man.. we scored a stud!! And Sherfield is a presence too. Reminds me of Freddy Jackson in stature and hustle. The dude is a ball player 100%.

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I saw some clips of I'm assuming a recent interview with Caleb Pressley from barstool, they're hilarious and Josh did 1 a while ago. Anyway Burrow definitely sounded fake and smug. So glad i don't have to root for a qb with that type of personality

[Sestak4ever]

  On 7/28/2023 at 11:49 AM, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

grabbing a jersey should be a called hold 10/10 times. 

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If that were the case then 80% of pass plays would be defensive holding calls. Defensive backs do it because they know it most likely will not be called.

[Franco_92]

  On 7/28/2023 at 11:45 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

The call at the end is a penalty 9 times out of 10. The issue is the 10th is normally inside the final 4 minutes of games where the refs generally try and let the players play and especially so in the post-season. Remember that was the only defensive hold called in the entire Superbowl. If that flag was thrown with 14 minutes left to play, everyone says "yea, soft, but by the letter a penalty" and moves on with their day. James Bradberry himself accepted after the game he tugged the jersey, knew that was a hold but was hoping given the situation they'd let it slide. But when a soft "technical" penalty like that basically decides a game that good, in the Superbowl..... everyone, except Chiefs fans understandably, felt like it was anti-climactic. 

 

EDIT: reminded me a bit of the Bills - Rams game early in 2020 when Gabe was held on 4th down in the endzone at the end. That was a similar one. Soft, but a technical foul. You just don't expect them called in that situation, that late, game on the line. 

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I like to think of that PI as deserved retribution for the worst call I've ever seen in my life earlier that game, when Tyler Kroft went up for a pass, caught it, came down with it, stood up with it. But because the DB tried to pull it out when they were on the ground, the refs called it an interception, which kick started the rams comeback in the first place 

[Billl]

  On 7/28/2023 at 11:45 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

The call at the end is a penalty 9 times out of 10. The issue is the 10th is normally inside the final 4 minutes of games where the refs generally try and let the players play and especially so in the post-season. Remember that was the only defensive hold called in the entire Superbowl. If that flag was thrown with 14 minutes left to play, everyone says "yea, soft, but by the letter a penalty" and moves on with their day. James Bradberry himself accepted after the game he tugged the jersey, knew that was a hold but was hoping given the situation they'd let it slide. But when a soft "technical" penalty like that basically decides a game that good, in the Superbowl..... everyone, except Chiefs fans understandably, felt like it was anti-climactic. 

 

EDIT: reminded me a bit of the Bills - Rams game early in 2020 when Gabe was held on 4th down in the endzone at the end. That was a similar one. Soft, but a technical foul. You just don't expect them called in that situation, that late, game on the line. 

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Mahomes had hit every single pass in the second half to that point.  The throw in question landed 3 yards over Juju's head.  When a hold is the difference between a touchdown and a well thrown ball becoming completely uncatchable, you have to throw the flag.  Bradberry knew he was cooked, so he held. 

 

Yes, it was anticlimactic.  That doesn't mean the ref should have swallowed the whistle and let Philadelphia prevent a TD by grabbing a jersey.

[Talley56]

I'm guessing many of our fans would be doing the same thing if this had been Allen.

 

 

 

[Fleezoid]

  On 7/27/2023 at 9:06 PM, Comebackkid said:

They said.. Don't have a cow, so he had a calf... 😃

 

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[GunnerBill]

  On 7/28/2023 at 2:00 PM, Billl said:

Mahomes had hit every single pass in the second half to that point.  The throw in question landed 3 yards over Juju's head.  When a hold is the difference between a touchdown and a well thrown ball becoming completely uncatchable, you have to throw the flag.  Bradberry knew he was cooked, so he held. 

 

Yes, it was anticlimactic.  That doesn't mean the ref should have swallowed the whistle and let Philadelphia prevent a TD by grabbing a jersey.

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I wasn't arguing that. Just arguing the often differing standards are frustrating.

[Alphadawg7]

  On 7/28/2023 at 11:45 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

The call at the end is a penalty 9 times out of 10. The issue is the 10th is normally inside the final 4 minutes of games where the refs generally try and let the players play and especially so in the post-season. Remember that was the only defensive hold called in the entire Superbowl. If that flag was thrown with 14 minutes left to play, everyone says "yea, soft, but by the letter a penalty" and moves on with their day. James Bradberry himself accepted after the game he tugged the jersey, knew that was a hold but was hoping given the situation they'd let it slide. But when a soft "technical" penalty like that basically decides a game that good, in the Superbowl..... everyone, except Chiefs fans understandably, felt like it was anti-climactic. 

 

EDIT: reminded me a bit of the Bills - Rams game early in 2020 when Gabe was held on 4th down in the endzone at the end. That was a similar one. Soft, but a technical foul. You just don't expect them called in that situation, that late, game on the line. 

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I don't disagree with this, and that is the heart of the problem, consistency in how they call games.  This wasn't the only ref impact though, for example, throughout the game there were calls the Eagles should have gotten but didn't that the Chiefs got away with.  Again, totally happens every game, and like most games there is usually a team that felt like they the better end of the stick with how the refs called the game overall, and for me that was the Chiefs that game.   

[Nextmanup]

  On 7/28/2023 at 1:05 PM, Dillenger4 said:

Good. I find the Bungles to be the most pompous bunch of clowns in the AFC. Burrow is so fake it makes me puke. I hope he is OK though so we can pound the snot out of them this season. Watching Kincaid yesterday at SJF... man.. we scored a stud!! And Sherfield is a presence too. Reminds me of Freddy Jackson in stature and hustle. The dude is a ball player 100%.

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I never understood this point of view.  It sounds great and all on an online message board, I guess...but...

 

I hope he misses our game and it allows us to beat them handily, and we turn a LOSS into a WIN.

 

I approach it from the military perspective.  I'm not looking for fair fights here, just victory, as easily as possible.

 

 

 

 

[RyanC883]

  On 7/27/2023 at 8:09 PM, wppete said:

Damn it. That’s awful… but looks like he has a brace or tape on his calf before the injury… could be a pre existing injury. 

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which begs the question if true: why on earth if he had a pretexting calf injury would he be practicing, and if practicing, why would you let him run~! 

[quinnearlysghost88]

  On 7/28/2023 at 3:06 PM, Nextmanup said:

I never understood this point of view.  It sounds great and all on an online message board, I guess...but...

 

I hope he misses our game and it allows us to beat them handily, and we turn a LOSS into a WIN.

 

I approach it from the military perspective.  I'm not looking for fair fights here, just victory, as easily as possible.

 

 

 

 

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Trust me, the pats didn’t care that we marched out a dog’s dinner of qbs year after year on their way to super bowls. We shouldn’t either. Do you think they ever thought, man I wish Kolb didn’t slip on that mat. I want to get to the sb the right way. 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 7/28/2023 at 1:47 PM, FireChans said:

Sorry you’re not gonna convince me with that cherry picked stat, I watched the game.

 

Manning had 49 attempts for 280 yards.  Broncos didn’t get a first down til the 2nd Q.

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Because he kept turning the ball over.  I thought you watched the game.

 

Manning won a SB with Broncos with 13 passes completed

[LABILLBACKER]

  On 7/28/2023 at 1:05 PM, Dillenger4 said:

Good. I find the Bungles to be the most pompous bunch of clowns in the AFC. Burrow is so fake it makes me puke. I hope he is OK though so we can pound the snot out of them this season. Watching Kincaid yesterday at SJF... man.. we scored a stud!! And Sherfield is a presence too. Reminds me of Freddy Jackson in stature and hustle. The dude is a ball player 100%.

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Kincaid in 2 years will be a top 5 TE.  And hopefully Sherfield & Harty develop into the receivers we need them to be.

[Mr. WEO]

  On 7/28/2023 at 1:53 PM, Sestak4ever said:

If that were the case then 80% of pass plays would be defensive holding calls. Defensive backs do it because they know it most likely will not be called.

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Not 80% no. Most past plays are to a receiver not within grasping distance of a DB

[FireChans]

  On 7/28/2023 at 4:05 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Because he kept turning the ball over.  I thought you watched the game.

 

Manning won a SB with Broncos with 13 passes completed

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Very cool stat and utterly meaningless.

 

Yes, they had 3 TO's.  Manning also couldn't throw the ball downfield because his receivers were getting mugged. Of his first 13 attempts, 1 was completed for more than 10 yards.

[Billl]

  On 7/28/2023 at 2:44 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I don't disagree with this, and that is the heart of the problem, consistency in how they call games.  This wasn't the only ref impact though, for example, throughout the game there were calls the Eagles should have gotten but didn't that the Chiefs got away with.  Again, totally happens every game, and like most games there is usually a team that felt like they the better end of the stick with how the refs called the game overall, and for me that was the Chiefs that game.   

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Like the fumble returned for a TD by the Chiefs that was overturned?  Nobody remembers all the calls losing teams get.

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[Sestak4ever]

  On 7/28/2023 at 4:07 PM, Mr. WEO said:

Not 80% no. Most past plays are to a receiver not within grasping distance of a DB

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True, but it’s not only the receiver that the ball is thrown to.

[Wacka]

  On 7/28/2023 at 2:32 AM, 947 said:

Well an achilles injury is a "calf injury". Unless they say it's the gastrocnemius or soleus, or anything specific- it could be a torn achilles. Just saying Calf Injury sounds like they're being intentionally vague.

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Like NHL vague. Upper body or lower body injury.