Herbert deal signed : 262M - 5 yrs extension

[BuffaloBillyG]

49 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

Then Tua is next in line after Burrow, assuming all goes well with him this year.

Tua will be an interesting one to watch. On the one hand not sure if he's a guy id invest in. He's good despite what many want to claim here. He's in the perfect offense for him. But I'm not sure he's irreplaceable. 

 

Then again the Giants just backed up a Brinks truck for Danny Jones so...

[Lost]

2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

When do we start referring to Josh as the Walmart version of Justin Herbert. 

 

Ralph is cheap..

[BillsFan4]

https://www.nfl.com/news/justin-herbert-chargers-agree-to-five-year-262-5-million-extension
 

Quote

Herbert will receive $218.7 million in guarantees in his new deal.

 

[Beast]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Speaking for myself I dislike Jackson because he has not been available the last 2 years for the playoffs.. Herbert stays healthy.

32 out of 32 NFL GM’s would take Herbert over Jackson.

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

That’s valid. But the chargers always get talked about as SB contenders every year and they barely have a winning record with Herbert (flawed stat but elite qbs who make this money should have better than a 25-24 record). 
 

I really like him but if Jackson choked a way a 27-0 playoff lead, he would be getting crushed. I think Herbert gets the biggest pass in the league.

I never understand how the offense gets blamed for blowing a 27-0 lead. I mean in the 28-3 Pats SB comeback that was 100% on the coaches outthinking themselves and making terrible play calls.  I mention that because I wonder if that’s part of Herbert issue, he has terrible coaching?? I don’t see enough of their games to know and when they do face NE they look horrid.. (and I am talking Newton and Jones Pats not Brady) 

[SCBills]

Literally my only thought about this is how it pertains to Burrow & the Bengals.

 

They have 3 guys who do not seem like discount deal guys in Burrow, Higgins and Chase.  
 

Good for Herbert though.  Maybe he can finally hand Mahomes a loss again. 

[chongli]

49 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Tua will be an interesting one to watch. On the one hand not sure if he's a guy id invest in. He's good despite what many want to claim here. He's in the perfect offense for him. But I'm not sure he's irreplaceable. 

 

Then again the Giants just backed up a Brinks truck for Danny Jones so...

 

Well, on the Dolphins forum, most (and I do mean a very big "most") are claiming Tua is better than Josh, lol. 

 

Also:

 

 

In all seriousness, it's hard to get a franchise QB, or even close to one, as we well know. If Tua holds up reasonably well this year, Miami had better invest in him, less they waste away the likes of Tyreek, Jaylen, etc. Or they can tank, I guess, for Caleb and watch their fanbase and Tyreek meltdown, lol.

Edited July 26, 2023 by chongli

[The Wiz]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Literally my only thought about this is how it pertains to Burrow & the Bengals.

 

They have 3 guys who do not seem like discount deal guys in Burrow, Higgins and Chase.  
 

Good for Herbert though.  Maybe he can finally hand Mahomes a loss again. 

The owner pretty much said burrow is the priority and everyone else gets what they get.

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

The owner pretty much said burrow is the priority and everyone else gets what they get.

Yea.. just saw some quotes from him yesterday.   He’s all but admitting this is the last year of all three together.

 

Times like this are when we should be seriously thankful for the Pegula’s. 
 

Edited July 26, 2023 by SCBills

[SoCal Deek]

Some quick math says that the Herbert contract equates to $3,000,000 per game or over $40,000 PER PLAY! I mean, really? Come on Man. 

[The Wiz]

15 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Some quick math says that the Herbert contract equates to $3,000,000 per game or over $40,000 PER PLAY! I mean, really? Come on Man. 

If he ever wants to take off a few of those handoffs to end a game, I'd be happy to collect that check for him.

[Mango]

I don’t love AAV for QB contract ranking. I much prefer cap hit on a yearly basis. Allen averages out to 9th, but he comes with $45-$56M cap numbers for the next 4 or 5 years. 
 

Allen has barely touched his deal in terms of cost. He’s only $18M this year which is a steal. But he also comfortably goes to the 5th and then 2nd highest cap hit in the entire league for the duration of his contract. 

 

The Allen deal isn’t bad. But he’s a top 3 QB who will carry a top 3 cap hit. It’s just fair value not wizardry. 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

32 out of 32 NFL GM’s would take Herbert over Jackson.

Lamar is 45-16 as a starter.  Herbert is 25-24 and has had a roster every bit as good or better around him.

[SCBills]

5 minutes ago, Billl said:

Lamar is 45-16 as a starter.  Herbert is 25-24 and has had a roster every bit as good or better around him.

And Lamar was given the MVP for his troubles. 
 

He can’t stay healthy the past two years, and struggles in the playoffs. 
 

Herbert, with his one brutal playoff loss included, has at least shown he can win regular season games from the pocket. 

 

I think the Top 3 are clear in Mahomes, Allen and Burrow, but after those 3 it’s a toss up with Hurts, Herbert, Lawrence, Lamar etc.. 

 

I think don’t think any GM, if drafting from those 4 to start a franchise, would choose Lamar. 
 

 

Edited July 26, 2023 by SCBills

[Billl]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

I never understand how the offense gets blamed for blowing a 27-0 lead. I mean in the 28-3 Pats SB comeback that was 100% on the coaches outthinking themselves and making terrible play calls.  I mention that because I wonder if that’s part of Herbert issue, he has terrible coaching?? I don’t see enough of their games to know and when they do face NE they look horrid.. (and I am talking Newton and Jones Pats not Brady) 

Because the 27-0 lead was brought about by the defense forcing 5 turnovers.  The Chargers were able to score TDs on drives of 16 and 18 yards and a FG on a drive of 1 yard.  Of course it was the offense’s fault.

[buffblue]

4 minutes ago, Billl said:

Lamar is 45-16 as a starter.  Herbert is 25-24 and has had a roster every bit as good or better around him.

Still doesn't change the original point. I would take Herbert every day and twice on Sunday before Lamar, and I'm not even a big fan of his.

 

Better WR's thus far? Yes

Better OL? No

Better defense? No

Better coach? No 

Better running game? No 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, buffblue said:

Still doesn't change the original point. I would take Herbert every day and twice on Sunday before Lamar, and I'm not even a big fan of his.

 

Better WR's thus far? Yes

Better OL? No

Better defense? No

Better coach? No 

Better running game? No 

The Chargers Offense is weird .. not sure if it’s by design for Herbert or what, but every game seems like a hundred dump offs to Ekeler with intermediate to deep shots down the field to zero separation big/physical WR’s. 

[buffblue]

Just now, SCBills said:

The Chargers Offense is weird .. not sure if it’s by design for Herbert or what, but every game seems like a hundred dump offs to Ekeler with intermediate to deep shots down the field to zero separation big/physical WR’s. 

Agreed. It does not appear like they know how to team build and utilize the players they have. Honestly the Chargers may have one of the the worst coaching staffs in the entire NFL

[Billl]

Just now, buffblue said:

Still doesn't change the original point. I would take Herbert every day and twice on Sunday before Lamar, and I'm not even a big fan of his.

 

Better WR's thus far? Yes

Better OL? No

Better defense? No

Better coach? No 

Better running game? No 

Herbert’s defense had Khalil Mack, Joey Bosa, Derwin James, Asante Samuel, JC Jackson, Dru Tranquill, etc.  His RB was Austin Ekeler who was 38 TDs in the last 2 seasons.  If the Ravens had a better running game, it’s because of Lamar.  

 

There is simply no advantage that Lamar has had that warrants hand-waiving away the difference between 45-16 and 25-24.

[Doc Brown]

Knowing California, he may be able to upgrade from Dunkin' to Starbucks on his morning commute.