JerseyBills Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 Not a huge fan of his, gives up lots of yards. but he's a top DB playmaker and the Cowboys had to pay him at some point Quote
Virgil Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 7:59 PM, Allen2Diggs said: Yeah, he's an average cover corner with great ball skills and tries to bait the qb into throwing his way. He looks at the qb too much and lets his man get away from him frequently I think he just had Jairus Byrd style luck in 2021 and he'll never come close to those interception numbers again. Expand Byrd was the exact analogy I was going to use! On 7/25/2023 at 8:47 PM, Bill from NYC said: He is a good player but that is quite a bit of money, no? Didn't they also bring in 33 year old Gilmore? I'm sure he will play very hard. 🙄 I heard on Sirius today that Dallas has allocated huge money to the defense, and that the coach claims that her wants to run more, throw less, and rely more on defense. Good luck with that losing philosophy. Expand Shhhhhh! Don’t talk about spending money on the defense. You’ll stir the locals 😋 1 2 Quote
JK Fan Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) Another case of the Cowboys overpaying for their players. How does this team stay under the cap when they consistantly overpay for players. Edited July 25, 2023 by JK Fan Quote
TheElectricCompany72 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 How does a guy who gets burned in coverage all the time, get this kind of money? Dudes more of a liability than an asset 1 Quote
JerseyBills Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 His brother sounds focus.. lfggg.. love stefons intensity Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 One thing you can’t say about old man plastic face Jones is he isn’t cheap. On 7/25/2023 at 9:51 PM, JerseyBills said: His brother sounds focus.. lfggg.. love stefons intensity Expand Diggs needs to get over himself. On 7/25/2023 at 9:28 PM, JK Fan said: Another case of the Cowboys overpaying for their players. How does this team stay under the cap when they consistantly overpay for players. Expand He might be overrated but they have a top 5 defense and he’s a a part of if. 1 Quote
Chaos Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 7:54 PM, Shaw66 said: I agree. He seems to get beaten more often than a top cover should. Takes chances. Gunner is correct that we would get similar money if he hit free agency, but I think this continues Jerry Jones's pattern of caving to pay top money to guys who are just less top-players. I don't think he shows the discipline that a good GM shows. Expand Is this much different than the Ed Oliver situation which is widely praised for its “Draft and Retain your own” strategy? Quote
Shaw66 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 10:02 PM, Chaos said: Is this much different than the Ed Oliver situation which is widely praised for its “Draft and Retain your own” strategy? Expand Yes, it is. I believe Oliver was #8 among DTs when the deal was done, and he's already down to 12. Diggs is #4. Oliver was paid as a good, efficient DT, but not a star. Diggs got star money, so far as I can tell. 1 Quote
Chaos Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 10:08 PM, Shaw66 said: Yes, it is. I believe Oliver was #8 among DTs when the deal was done, and he's already down to 12. Diggs is #4. Oliver was paid as a good, efficient DT, but not a star. Diggs got star money, so far as I can tell. Expand More about the timing of deals and market scarcity. Diggs will be 12th soon enough. both are overpaid based on past performance Quote
Shaw66 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 10:11 PM, Chaos said: Diggs will be 12th soon enough. Expand What's your basis for saying this? Can you name even 6 corners who will pass him in 2023? Quote
GoBills808 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 10:11 PM, Chaos said: More about the timing of deals and market scarcity. Diggs will be 12th soon enough. both are overpaid based on past performance Expand Trevon Diggs is a first team All Pro, there are escalators for contracts...Ed Oliver has never even made a Pro Bowl Diggs contract is easily justifiable Quote
T master Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 Dammit between him and Stephon they should be able to get mom a nice place on the river or where ever she might want for all that matters .😜 Quote
MikePJ76 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 9:55 PM, C.Biscuit97 said: One thing you can’t say about old man plastic face Jones is he isn’t cheap. Diggs needs to get over himself. He might be overrated but they have a top 5 defense and he’s a a part of if. Expand they played some really bad qb's last year. The schedule is way tougher this year. that afc south was dreadful last year. They played a number of backups. They are talented but still they were not challenged most of the year, they caught burrow early when they were not right yet. 2 Quote
beerme1 Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 Seems stupid to me to give this guy that money. He's no shutdown corner. Fire the owner/gm/coach. Stupid deal. Quote
Big Turk Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 (edited) On 7/25/2023 at 7:36 PM, GunnerBill said: Puts him joint 5th among corners in AAV and there are people above him who I think are more overpaid than he. Probably a slight overpay by reference to his peers but the list of really good young corners from recent drafts isn't long... Pat Surtain and Sauce spring to mind but not a lot of others have proven it. So if Diggs hit the market I fancy he'd get at least what Dallas paid him on the open market. Expand He gets a lot of turnovers but he also gives up a lot of long TDs too by taking risks he doesn't need to take because he is looking for the INT. I don't consider him worth that money, IMO. Edited July 26, 2023 by Big Turk Quote
Shaw66 Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 On 7/25/2023 at 10:13 PM, Shaw66 said: What's your basis for saying this? Can you name even 6 corners who will pass him in 2023? Expand I guess Chaos is still doing his research. Quote
PetermansRedemption Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 I’d be livid if the Bills gave that type of player that amount of money. Therefore, I approve of the Cowboys doing it. Quote
GunnerBill Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 2:30 AM, Big Turk said: He gets a lot of turnovers but he also gives up a lot of long TDs too by taking risks he doesn't need to take because he is looking for the INT. I don't consider him worth that money, IMO. Expand He gave up 3 touchdowns last year and 4 in the season where he generated 11 interceptions and 2 pick 6s. Yes he is an aggressive style of corner, but compared to the other go to aggressive corner of recent times, Marcus Peters, Trevon does not get burned as much. He is also in the 50s for completion percentage allowed which is where all the top guys are. The "he gives up too many touchdowns" thing is overblown. The playmaking way outstrips what he gives up. Quote
FireChans Posted July 26, 2023 Posted July 26, 2023 On 7/26/2023 at 5:12 AM, GunnerBill said: He gave up 3 touchdowns last year and 4 in the season where he generated 11 interceptions and 2 pick 6s. Yes he is an aggressive style of corner, but compared to the other go to aggressive corner of recent times, Marcus Peters, Trevon does not get burned as much. He is also in the 50s for completion percentage allowed which is where all the top guys are. The "he gives up too many touchdowns" thing is overblown. The playmaking way outstrips what he gives up. Expand Yeah I basically have Diggs as who Marcus Peters thought he was. 1 Quote
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