mrags Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 27 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Uhh…. Just because they talk about it on sports talk radio doesn’t mean it’s true. Barkley was never offered a 2 yr $26 mil guaranteed contract. Now who looks stupid? Didn’t read the articles I posted huh. I mean, if he stays healthy and plays in every game it is exactly 2 years 26m reading is hard 25 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: No tag clause in the new contract. They cant tag him again. Also, pro athletes ARE in fact the heaviest taxed high earners. They dont have the same abilities to shelter and skirt like the true wealthy. Their pay is all fully taxed. They cant defer salary to stock options and cash out a year later to only pay long term capital gains. Most of the players arent financially savvy enough to find even the most basic loop holes. False. There is not a no tag clause in this new contract. Already reported they can tag him again next year 1 Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: Giants have no chance if they had to start over with a rookie while leaning on a massive multi-year deal for an elite RB that’s dealt with injuries prior to this past year. Ummm.... San Francisco 49ers?🤷 Quote
FireChans Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 Just now, Solomon Grundy said: Ummm.... San Francisco 49ers?🤷 Wow we shouldn’t have drafted Josh in the first because Brady was a sixth round pick! Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 Todays RBs need a Tomlinson. A RB that does everything on the field can line up everywhere and is durable. Quote
Solomon Grundy Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Wow we shouldn’t have drafted Josh in the first because Brady was a sixth round pick! Sometimes a blind squirrel finds a nut😎 Quote
SCBills Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Ummm.... San Francisco 49ers?🤷 Barkley is elite .. he’s not McCaffrey (imo) McCaffrey is an elite RB and an elite slot WR. Also, the Giants roster is not elite at almost every other position.. Theres no Bosa, no Warner, no Kittle, no Deebo etc.., And most importantly, no Kyle Shanahan. (For as good as Daboll is, Shanahan is unique). Edited July 25, 2023 by SCBills Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, mrags said: False. There is not a no tag clause in this new contract. Already reported they can tag him again next year Ah true, true. Seeing that now. My bad. Earlier tweet I saw was wrong. Quote
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Ummm.... San Francisco 49ers?🤷 Yet they’ve spent massively on QBs and just keep missing. Building that type of success can happen though. They are also a poster boy for running back by committee. Even putting WRs at RB. Then they trade for McCaffery. They are a weird team. I don’t think they know what they’re doing at QB or RB. They were fine with the committee approach. Edited July 25, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote
Bob Jones Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 43 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: No tag clause in the new contract. They cant tag him again. Also, pro athletes ARE in fact the heaviest taxed high earners. They dont have the same abilities to shelter and skirt like the true wealthy. Their pay is all fully taxed. They cant defer salary to stock options and cash out a year later to only pay long term capital gains. Most of the players arent financially savvy enough to find even the most basic loop holes. Yep, you’re 100% spot on. Not sure why somebody gave my post about it a thumbs down. 🙄 These multi millionaire earners should definitely pay their due, as should all mega rich people. Ironically, I’m a libertarian, so I would be all for massive reductions of all taxes, but as it stands today, it is what it is, and mega rich need to pay the tax man. 😉 Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: It 100% does. These comparisons are honestly getting ridiculous. Giants have a chance to make the playoffs with Daniel Jones, who is a Carr/Cousins ceiling QB, in the NFC. Giants have no chance if they had to start over with a rookie while leaning on a massive multi-year deal for an elite RB that’s dealt with injuries prior to this past year. They’re in that weird mid-level/back-end of the Top 10-12 QB category. Probably not good enough to win big, or consistently with.. but in a weak conference, the QB makes them a playoff contender and they’d need to tank the season if they had thoughts of Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Barkley maybe adds a win or two to their record. Jones is what makes them a playoff contender… even with the weaknesses he has. Except none of this true. Not a single team worries about Jones. It starts and ends Barkley. It literally was the first non losing season of Jones’ career. He killed then with turnovers. In todays nfl, having 15 td passes as a full time starter is awful. It was bad in the 90s. It is horrible now. The best thing about Jones last year is he didn’t murder them with turnovers. He was essentially Tyrod on the Bills playoff team. your argument is the exact reasons why, besides the top guys, qb “wins” might be the dumbest stat in sports. According to this logic, the Ravens won because of dilfer and the Chiefs were dumb for drafting Mahomes because Smith “won.” Quote
Fleezoid Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 This is a house of cards for all running backs now. They had little leverage before, now they have no leverage. They'll all sign before the first snap of the regular season. The market is what it is. Quote
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, Gregg said: He got more money 1 Quote
Gregg Posted July 25, 2023 Author Posted July 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He got more money I am not sure of this, but I think the Giants can now place the tag on him next year as well. Quote
SCBills Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Except none of this true. Not a single team worries about Jones. It starts and ends Barkley. It literally was the first non losing season of Jones’ career. He killed then with turnovers. In todays nfl, having 15 td passes as a full time starter is awful. It was bad in the 90s. It is horrible now. The best thing about Jones last year is he didn’t murder them with turnovers. He was essentially Tyrod on the Bills playoff team. your argument is the exact reasons why, besides the top guys, qb “wins” might be the dumbest stat in sports. According to this logic, the Ravens won because of dilfer and the Chiefs were dumb for drafting Mahomes because Smith “won.” They signed Jones to moderate deal that they can get out of pretty quickly. What would you have them do? Tank the season?… because that was the other choice. They decided not to. Therefore they signed Daniel Jones. Having a competent QB, regardless of what you think of him, makes them a playoff contender in the NFC. Saquon Barkley, a RB, does not. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 28 minutes ago, mrags said: Didn’t read the articles I posted huh. I mean, if he stays healthy and plays in every game it is exactly 2 years 26m reading is hard False. There is not a no tag clause in this new contract. Already reported they can tag him again next year 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He got more money 1 minute ago, Gregg said: I am not sure of this, but I think the Giants can now place the tag on him next year as well. Follow up question: Even tho they have this "new" deal done, does it still count as a Franchise Tag year? I ask because a second straight tag requires a 120% of the previous tag. So I'm wondering if they tag him again next yeartdoes he get the regular tag number or the double-tagged number? 1 Quote
mrags Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Follow up question: Even tho they have this "new" deal done, does it still count as a Franchise Tag year? I ask because a second straight tag requires a 120% of the previous tag. So I'm wondering if they tag him again next yeartdoes he get the regular tag number or the double-tagged number? His franchise tag was retained from what Sal C just reported. Meaning next years franchise tag hit would be outrageous. 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, mrags said: His franchise tag was retained from what Sal C just reported. Meaning next years franchise tag hit would be outrageous. Well, 120% of $10M is easy math to $12M. Not too outrageous given his possible $11M hit this year. Quote
mrags Posted July 25, 2023 Posted July 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Well, 120% of $10M is easy math to $12M. Not too outrageous given his possible $11M hit this year. I think that 130% isn’t based off the current deal. It’s 120% of the 3 highest paid at that position. So CMC, Henry, and then Barkley (he’s still currently 3rd highest) averaged out, then add 20%. Or something like that. It’s a high number. It’s not 12m Quote
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