Hines out for the year

[Buffalo_Stampede]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:27 PM, Maynard said:

Man, that sucks. Murray just got a lot more safe. 

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I don’t think they’re related. Depends who they sign to the roster. Kenyan Drake and Kareem Hunt available could offer more upside as Cooks immediate backup for 3rd down purposes.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

  On 7/24/2023 at 1:40 PM, GunnerBill said:

We don't have a returner. 

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Don't the Bills have Double Secret Recall Rights to 

🎶 CHRISTIAN WADE 🎵?🤔

[HappyDays]

  On 7/24/2023 at 1:29 PM, Matt_In_NH said:

He was a highly paid kick returner on this team.

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The contract was always dumb, I disagreed with Beane's decision to give him a pay cut instead of releasing him. But kick return isn't that important, less so now with the most recent rule change.

[transient]

  On 7/24/2023 at 1:27 PM, TBBills Fan said:

Was a rubber mat involved?

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More importantly, was a back flip involved. 

[John from Riverside]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:29 PM, Beast said:

I would imagine sitting stationary on a jet ski is not an activity that involved significant risk.

 

If he got hurt in a car accident would they be trying to get money f on him?

 

Hopefully the Bills will not go after any of his salary. That would be a bad look.

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Oh, I don’t think they would look at it that way actually being out on the ski could be considered that

[BuffaloBill]

Well that sucks

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:31 PM, John from Riverside said:

Oh, I don’t think they would look at it that way actually being out on the ski could be considered that

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Yeah. The Bills would have a case but the question is do they do it. 

[Beast]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:31 PM, John from Riverside said:

Oh, I don’t think they would look at it that way actually being out on the ski could be considered that

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Huh?

[Maynard]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:29 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I don’t think they’re related. Depends who they sign to the roster. Kenyan Drake and Kareem Hunt available could offer more upside as Cooks immediate backup for 3rd down purposes.

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Yeah, maybe not. Completely different types of backs. Room just got smaller though. Be interesting to see what they do. 

[dave mcbride]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:10 PM, ScottLaw said:

Don’t disagree I’m talking punt returns though… that isn’t dead…. He had 6 fumbles between 2019-2021 on about 50-60 returns… that’s pretty significant…. Plus the increase risk of injury and they need him at WR…Hopefully they find another option but yea, I am sure right now he is their first try. 

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He had 143 returns over the course of 2019-2021 -- 74 punt returns and 69 kickoff returns. Just an fyi. He also fumbled 8 times over those three seasons, although it's not clear whether they came on ST plays or scrimmage plays. He had 77 touches from scrimmage between 2019-2021. So, 8 fumbles on 220 total touches from 2019-2021, which is 3.6 percent. That's very high. 

 

In 2022, he had 1 fumble on 11 total touches (ST and from scrimmage).  That's a 9 percent fumble rate, although the sample size is way too low.

 

Over the four seasons, he's fumbled at a 3.9 percent rate (9 fumbles over 231 touches). Not good.

 

Over the course of his career, McKenzie has fumbled 10 times on 296 total touches, which is 3.37 percent. However, if you take out his first season for Denver, in which he fumbled a ridiculous 6 times on 29 total touches (24 returns and 5 catches/runs), he has fumbled 4 times on 267 touches -- a respectable 1.4 percent rate. 

 

A couple of takeaways: McKenzie's propensity to fumble is greatly exaggerated if you take away that rookie season in Denver, and Harty truly is a fumbling machine.   

[John from Riverside]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:32 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yeah. The Bills would have a case but the question is do they do it. 

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My bed is that they don’t. The bills have been very fair with their players.

[78thealltimegreat]

Man tough…After hearing what happened I’m just glad Nyheim is only recovering from a knee injury. Someone running into him with another Jet Ski could have been far far worse. 

[The Wiz]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:29 PM, Beast said:

I would imagine sitting stationary on a jet ski is not an activity that involved significant risk.

 

If he got hurt in a car accident would they be trying to get money from him?

 

Hopefully the Bills will not go after any of his salary. That would be a bad look.

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The whole situation sounds like whoever he was with was screwing around, ended his season and potentially risked his future in the NFL.  

 

I don't think they will be friends much longer.

[John from Riverside]

I was seriously wondering whether or not he was going to make the team or possibly get traded are running back room is so full and I really didn’t want to see Latavius Murray be a scratch every week that guy can ball
 

Injuries suck and are never good. However, I wasn’t sure how Hines was going to get actual playing time other than special teams and with the new special teams rules, I just saw path where he might get cut or traded.

[Beast]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:23 PM, Clyde Smith said:

Probably cause their field turf is trash. That's where we lost Tre and Von.

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We lost Tre in New Orleans.

[BuffaloBillyG]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:28 PM, Matt_In_NH said:

It is $1.5M more than $0

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Yes, but hardly the impact that you implied in your original point. $1.5M in dead cap these days is equivalent to buying an extra can of tuna fish at the store and blaming that on the reason your grocery bill is $80 more.

[Big Turk]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:16 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bills could probably go after money but I doubt it.

 

 

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This is the type of stuff that happens that makes you wonder how more of this stuff doesn't happen randomly to players.

[PBF81]

  On 7/24/2023 at 12:49 PM, Blank Stare said:

And so it begins….

 

The ugly side of football. Hate injuries. 

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He did it off-site tho, whatever that means.  

 

I'm curious what he did to suffer a season-ender offsite.  

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

  On 7/24/2023 at 2:38 PM, Big Turk said:

 

This is the type of stuff that happens that makes you wonder how more of this stuff doesn't happen randomly to players.

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huh?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

  On 7/24/2023 at 1:40 PM, GunnerBill said:

We don't have a returner. 

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Don't need one. With new rule its better to Fair catch the ball and take it at the 20 or 25 wherever the rule states.