OT…opinions of Jalen Hurts

[Process]

Anywhere from 5-8ish is reasonable for hurts. He had a good year on a very good team. Let's see it again before he's cemented as a top 5 QB.

 

That's not a knock on him. He had a great season. 

[C.Biscuit97]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yup. Allen had 42 TDs to Hurt's 35. Now take a look at turnover differential between the 2. 

Also, the eagles were one of the gray first half teams of all time. They would jump out to huge leads and just run the ball in the second half. Hurts didn’t get s chance to stay pad like some do. 
 

Allen is obviously the better and more established qb but Hurts reminds me so much of him, though they came into college with much different hype. Both doubted a ton, even by their own fanbases, and have made themselves into legit top 5ish nfl qbs. They both deserve a ton of credit. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Herbert needs to log a playoff win before he's anywhere near this discussion.  

I really like Herbert but the hype went crazy. He might be the least criticized qb in the nfl. If Hurts or a lot of qbs collapsed like the Chargers did in their playoff game, they would be ripped apart all off-season. 
 

chargers have a long history of big stat qbs which really amounts to nothing. Herbert is good but he gets way too much of a pass (qb pun 😉).

[boyst]

I don't know why people try to hate on this guy. Hurts is a likeable guy, a phenomenal athlete, a very good quarterback, and most importantly he is coachable. There's not much reason to believe that he will not have a long and prosperous career.

 

he is like mahomes, but he is likable and not an epic douche that surrounds himself with trailer park trash

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Compare that to Allen's 35 pass to 7 rush.

 

 

Compare his 8 total TDs, 0 INTs, and 2 fumbles in the postseason to Allen’s 4 TDs, 3 INTs, and 3 fumbles.

[90sBills]

There’s much to praise about a young man that fought through adversities the way Hurts has. He improved after getting benched in college. He has improved since entering the league. After the breakout year he had people still want to see more? Crazy that he’s still doubted when he has accomplished something we’re dreaming/hoping/praying Allen could do.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

11 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

 

Hurts benefited from a lot of timing/RPO's. The Scrum QB sneak play. I mean how valuable would a guaranteed 1-2 yards every time you had to have it be? They can't do that this year. 

Did they band pushing the QB from behind? I did not know that. 
 

[prissythecat]

Put Hurts behind our average O line and sub par running game .  Will the results still be anywhere near the same

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

So was Josh Allen. Hurts was like the number 1 recruit in the country. So his talent has been known.

 

dude got benched for Tua and a lot of guys would sulk and blame other people. He was a great teammate, helped them win a championship, and nearly won at a Heisman at Oklahoma. 
 

every thing you hear about him is how great of guy he is and how hard of a worker. He has gotten better ever year. He is so much like Allen, it’s scary. The Eagles would also kill teams by halftime so his stats could have been even better. In the garbage nfc, the Eagles have as good of shot to win the SB as any team in the nfl and hurts is a major reason why. 

Why are so hung up on the Alabama thing? He transferred, completed nearly 70% of his passes, and had 32 tds at Oklahoma. How were Joe Burrows stats at Ohio State before he played with one of the greatest receiver groups in college football history at LSU?

 

some guys just get better. 

 

 

Oh he's gotten much better.........he was a flat-out poor thrower of the football altogether at Alabama........the arm strength, touch and accuracy weren't there.  But he's still not in the league of those others as a passer, IMO and I watched every Eagles game last season.   He had a very nice Super Bowl but imagine Joe Burrow with that protection throwing against those rookie CB's in a SB.    It would have been a slaughter.   It was on a platter for the Eagles.   Much better roster,   opposing QB playing on one leg,  ton of rookies(some who I think will prove to be scrubs) in big roles for the Chiefs.   

 

  

[NoSaint]

10 hours ago, Dan in Owego said:

I agree, truthfully i like the kid so not wishing him to fizzle out, but jeez i never saw this coming after watching him in college either. Lot of tape out on him and the scheme they run so will have a better feel for where he is heading as a pro Qb after this year.

the issue really is that once his cap hit goes up 50M, you lose 3-4 very good players around him. 
 

If you dropped him into Buffalo last year, he would’ve looked like a serviceable qb that got nowhere near the Super Bowl. That doesn’t mean he’s a bum or anything. 

[Simon]

11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I'm not sold on Hurts yet.   I am a college football fan and he really was limited as a passer in college.   He's improved A LOT but nobody had a better combination of blocking and receiving talent around him last year.   

 

3 years ago I'd have bet my house that he wasn't a viable long-term starter in the NFL.

Now I think I'd only bet my truck.

[Process]

I will say, that with 370 yards, four touchdowns and 35 pts in the super bowl, hurts proved that he can be a big-time playoff performer. Something that burrow has yet to show a single time in 7 games 

 

#carried

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

On a much better team. Better WR, better OL, Better RB, better coach.

 

Hurts is fine. He's a system QB

"He's a system QB" is the modern way of saying I just don't wanna give the kid credit. To have to justify every little point is absurd. 

 

The kid had an Elite season last year. Played out of his mind. Deserves the accolades for the year he had. The question of "will be continue it" is the valid one. 

[Brandon]

He had a great season last year,  but,  as always,  I want to see if he can maintain it over two or three seasons before making a final judgment. 

[C.Biscuit97]

35 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Oh he's gotten much better.........he was a flat-out poor thrower of the football altogether at Alabama........the arm strength, touch and accuracy weren't there.  But he's still not in the league of those others as a passer, IMO and I watched every Eagles game last season.   He had a very nice Super Bowl but imagine Joe Burrow with that protection throwing against those rookie CB's in a SB.    It would have been a slaughter.   It was on a platter for the Eagles.   Much better roster,   opposing QB playing on one leg,  ton of rookies(some who I think will prove to be scrubs) in big roles for the Chiefs.   

 

  

Fair points but Joe Burrow threw for less yards and more ints than tds, scoring less points (with better receivers imo) against the same cbs in the afc title game. Hurts outplayed the best qb in football in the SB

 

He definitely needs to prove it again but based on how he has improved every year, I have no reason to doubt him. 

23 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

"He's a system QB" is the modern way of saying I just don't wanna give the kid credit. To have to justify every little point is absurd. 

 

The kid had an Elite season last year. Played out of his mind. Deserves the accolades for the year he had. The question of "will be continue it" is the valid one. 

Bills fans get mad that Josh Allen doesn’t get enough credit so they just trash every other young qb. It’s weird. 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Compare his 8 total TDs, 0 INTs, and 2 fumbles in the postseason to Allen’s 4 TDs, 3 INTs, and 3 fumbles.

Give him Allen’s skill talent and line and get back to me it’s a miracle they won 13 games and where the number 2 offense solely because of number 17 

[Bill from NYC]

I saw every play Hurts was in at Alabama to include his first pass as a freshman.

 

Jalen is a very smart and dedicated player. He always has been. He gains big yardage on the ground without blazing speed. In fact he is incredibly strong for his size. He is a very good passer, not a great one. To put it in context, a pre injury Tua was a clearly superior passer. Now..... I cannot say this for sure.

 

The thing is, Howie Roseman is 10x better than McDermott at building an NFL team. It just isn't close. The Eagles are great at both the OL and the DL. Not only that they are stacked at WR. I can't even imagine what Josh could accomplish if surrounded by that much talent.

 

In summary, even if Jalen were to win the next two Superbowls, he will never be as good or as talented as Josh. Not ever. If Josh was on the Eagles and faced KC for the title, I would place a very large bet on the Eagles, and I am a penny ante better when I do bet. 

[AmishRifle]

I’m impresssd by what has transpired.  Go back to January of 2021 and remember your reaction to the Eagles firing Pederson and hiring Sirianni.  They also got rid of Wentz and went all in on Hurts.  At the time I really doubted the decision making.  Wow, was I completely wrong.  Eagles and Hurts are in a great place right now.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Compare his 8 total TDs, 0 INTs, and 2 fumbles in the postseason to Allen’s 4 TDs, 3 INTs, and 3 fumbles.

 

Yeah it was Allen's worst postseason performance overall thus far in his career. Or at least matches the dr. jekly and mr. hyde performance he had against the Texans.  But he also has 2021 postseason in his resume which I think is still the greatest postseason statistical performance?

 

His performance against the Dolphins could have looked drastically better if Knox catches the ball in the endzone, Bease doesn't let one bounce off his chest for an INT and Shakir hauls in the 50 yard pass to set the Bills up inside the red zone. None of Allen's turnovers this last postseason cost the Bills a W.   But you could definitely make the case that Hurts fumble cost the Eagles the Super Bowl.

 

All that said, I really like Jalen. He is a tough son of a gun. And with the team he has around him there's no reason to think he won't be able to pick up where he left off. Like Allen, he needs to stay healthy and try and take less wear and tear. 

 

The other young QB I really like but who has yet to breakout is Fields. Another tough son of a gun. Don't know if he will turn the corner and the Bears roster is not great (and that's being nice) but I'll be rooting for a breakout year from Fields this year. If I am the Bears OC I watch every second of film of Hurts and the Eagles and try and mimic their offense as much as possible. 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Compare his 8 total TDs, 0 INTs, and 2 fumbles in the postseason to Allen’s 4 TDs, 3 INTs, and 3 fumbles.

Again, better team, better coach, weaker conference.