PFF Top 50 Players for 2023 - Josh Allen at 12, Diggs at 24

[Lost]

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff50-ranking-50-best-players-2023

 

Josh Allen is the second best QB ranked presumably behind Mahomes but still they don't see him as a top 10 player 🤯

 

 Diggs is the 5 best receiver ranked.  

[Airseven]

Allen isn't ranked second best.

[wppete]

Absolutely insane they have Josh Allen at #12.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

8 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Allen isn't ranked second best.

[BananaB]

His turnovers pushed him outside the top 10

[Robert James]

18 minutes ago, Airseven said:

Allen isn't ranked second best.

I'm guessing Mahomes, Burrow, and Jalen Hurts are all ranked ahead of him.  They've got to be in the top 50.

[Mikie2times]

They have Rogers at 45 and Herbert at 35. That tells me this has nothing to do with positional value. Clearly Josh is easily a Top 10 and likely Top 5/3 with positional value. 
 

They have to have Burrow and Hurts ahead of him. Obviously Mahomes as well. I won’t argue Burrow, but I would disagree Hurts has shown enough. Let’s see him do it again this year. 

Edited July 20, 2023 by Mikie2times

[Lost]

17 minutes ago, wppete said:

Absolutely insane they have Josh Allen at #12.

 

Yeah.  I can't really come up with another player in this league who if you removed them from the field would cause the team to basically implode moreso than Josh Allen.   Mahomes is pretty vital to his team but even when they threw in Chad Henne in during the playoff game against the Bengals, he went on a 98yd scoring drive with them.

 

One could make a case that Von Miller is the best edge rusher in the modern era but we went on a 6 game win streak without him last season.  

[Airseven]

14 minutes ago, Robert James said:

I'm guessing Mahomes, Burrow, and Jalen Hurts are all ranked ahead of him.  They've got to be in the top 50.

 

Indeed. It makes sense that Allen would be outside the top 10 as the #4 ranked player at his position. The Allen/Hurts/Herbert debate is a good one. Mahomes and Burrow are on another level. Allen needs to cut down on the crushing mistakes...and reach a Super Bowl...to achieve elite QB status (as opposed to his current elite athlete status). 

[Airseven]

19 minutes ago, Lost said:

I can't really come up with another player in this league who if you removed them from the field would cause the team to basically implode moreso than Josh Allen.   Mahomes is pretty vital to his team but even when they threw in Chad Henne in during the playoff game against the Bengals, he went on a 98yd scoring drive with them.

 

This ranking is of the 50 best players. It's not ranking most valuable players to their team.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Airseven

[Billl]

24 minutes ago, Airseven said:

 

Indeed. It makes sense that Allen would be outside the top 10 as the #4 ranked player at his position. The Allen/Hurts/Herbert debate is a good one. Mahomes and Burrow are on another level. Allen needs to cut down on the crushing mistakes...and reach a Super Bowl...to achieve elite QB status (as opposed to his current elite athlete status). 

Herbert doesn’t belong anywhere near that group.  He’s in the Cousins and Dak range.

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

Indeed. It makes sense that Allen would be outside the top 10 as the #4 ranked player at his position. The Allen/Hurts/Herbert debate is a good one. Mahomes and Burrow are on another level. Allen needs to cut down on the crushing mistakes...and reach a Super Bowl...to achieve elite QB status (as opposed to his current elite athlete status). 

You can make an argument that Mahomes is on another level above Allen based on his extraordinary playoff production.  But Joe Burrow?  Sorry he is at best even with Allen.

 

Reaching a Super Bowl is not a distinguishing factor for elite QB play. Reaching multiple Super Bowls and winning multiple Super Bowls is.  If a one off Super Bowl appearance makes you elite then Trent Dilfer was elite.

 

The Bills finished 14 - 4 and lost ONLY one game due to Allen's "crushing mistakes". 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

12 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

You can make an argument that Mahomes is on another level above Allen based on his extraordinary playoff production.  But Joe Burrow?  Sorry he is at best even with Allen.

 

Reaching a Super Bowl is not a distinguishing factor for elite QB play. Reaching multiple Super Bowls and winning multiple Super Bowls is.  If a one off Super Bowl appearance makes you elite then Trent Dilfer was elite.

 

The Bills finished 14 - 4 and lost ONLY one game due to Allen's "crushing mistakes". 

 

 

 

 

 

For me it always will come back to the situation they ended up in. If you take Burrow and put him in Buffalo for last year...how many games do they win? With a rookie OC and Diggs his only great target...I don't see 13 wins. Maybe 11...10?

 

Now put Allen in the Cincinnati offense. Offensive minded HC. Chase, Higgins, Boyd. Mixon with a run game. They (IMO) make the Super Bowl and win by 2 TDs. 

 

Now, Burrow has skill and is calm under pressure. But in no way shape or for can I see him even equal to Allen skill wise without the plush situation he landed in. 

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

Indeed. It makes sense that Allen would be outside the top 10 as the #4 ranked player at his position. The Allen/Hurts/Herbert debate is a good one. Mahomes and Burrow are on another level. Allen needs to cut down on the crushing mistakes...and reach a Super Bowl...to achieve elite QB status (as opposed to his current elite athlete status). 

Lol what has Burrow done to be ranked above Allen

[Billsflyer12]

4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Lol what has Burrow done to be ranked above Allen

More passing attempts, completions, yards, and touchdowns.  Fewer interceptions and turnovers.  Made a Super Bowl and AFC Championship games in back to back years.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

More passing attempts, completions, yards, and touchdowns.  Fewer interceptions and turnovers.  Made a Super Bowl and AFC Championship games in back to back years.

is this the part where we pretend he didn't rush for 760 yards and 7TDs

[K D]

Hurts isn't better than Josh Allen lol. He's Tua minus the injuries. He's a limited player who they don't ask to do too much

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I love this

[Nelius]

3 hours ago, Airseven said:

 

Indeed. It makes sense that Allen would be outside the top 10 as the #4 ranked player at his position. The Allen/Hurts/Herbert debate is a good one. Mahomes and Burrow are on another level. Allen needs to cut down on the crushing mistakes...and reach a Super Bowl...to achieve elite QB status (as opposed to his current elite athlete status). 

Always gotta get that weird stretch jab in…
 

Hurts/Allen is maybe a debate. Herbert is nowhere near them and an objective analyst like yourself should be fully aware of this. By all accounts Herbert was disappointing last year because he clearly didn’t take the step forward that many were waiting for. Want 280 yds 1 Td and few impactful plays? That’s Herbert every single week. I’d take Lawrence before him easy.

[Billsflyer12]

16 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

is this the part where we pretend he didn't rush for 760 yards and 7TDs

I would take Allen, but while they are different QBs they are really close.  I could make lots of good arguments for Burrow being better.  I could NOT make any arguments other then he made Super Bowl for Hurts being better then Allen.

Edited July 21, 2023 by Billsflyer12