BillsShredder83 Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because he won a MVP and wins 70% of his starts. and Jones averages 15 td passes and 9 ints. It’s a joke he makes that much. At least Carr has put up good numbers. Jones deal was good deal for giants situation. He manages dabolls offense well, exceeded expectations. Allows them to stay competitive for a few years while they try to find their franchise qb. From a front office perspective, letting him walk without another QB in place is a great way to end up fired in a few years. The contract looks high but that's just the newest QB deal effect 1 Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 I think Carr is a marginally better QB than Jones, but I think Dabol will get more out of Jones than Dennis Allen/Pete Carmichael will get out of Carr. I dont think Baltimore will regret the Jackson contract this year. They probably will in a couple years, but not this year. Quote
BullBuchanan Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 They're all bad, but Daniel Jones is the only one of those players that isn't even a decent player, so it has to be him. Quote
DrDawkinstein Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) Another thing to consider is how quickly teams can get OUT of each of these contracts. The Jets are locked into Rodgers for the next 2 years, but can get out of it with no dead cap hit after that. The Ravens are locked into Jackson for the ENTIRETY of the 5 years, PLUS 2 more void years to lessen cap hits (yikes!). The Giants are pretty much locked into Jones for only 2 years, and then can get out of it pretty easily. The Saints have 3 years before they can affordably get out of Carr's contract, but also have a void year added to defer cap hits. Given that info, Jones has the most team-friendly contract. And the Giants are best able to change course. So IMO, the Giants are the least likely to regret their deal since even if Jones stinks, they arent locked in. The Ravens and Saints have the biggest risks getting stuck with a contract they cant get out of. So I'm sticking with my vote of the Saints. Edited July 18, 2023 by DrDawkinstein 1 1 Quote
Albany,n.y. Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 There are some really bad QB contracts out there, and then, and then And then along came Jones Tall thin Jones Slow-walkin' Jones Slow-talkin' Jones Along came long, lean, lanky Jones 1 Quote
boyst Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 No one expects Carr or Jones to succeed. So they're not exactly underdogs. Rodgers earned his money by past play. Jackson did everything he could to manipulate his play and the he and the team had choices that could have averted the overpaying Quote
MJS Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: I voted "Jones" simply b/c that's a lot of money and I don't think he's particularly good. Honorable mention goes to Carr, who has greatness in him, but it just doesn't come out enough with consistency. And he can be really lousy too! I don't think Carr has greatness in him, personally. I think he is average. I'd take Kirk Cousins over him, who also doesn't have greatness. 1 1 Quote
newcam2012 Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 6 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: place your bets I voted for Carr. He's getting older and has a lot of wear and tear on his body. Not mobile at all. He's just average at best. 1 Quote
frostbitmic Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 Aaron Rodgers ... Just a feeling Lamar wouldn't be a surprise either. Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 18, 2023 Author Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Nah, they cut him after 2025 and he's only getting $81M total for 2 years. If he puts up 22-25 TD's per season over the next two years, that's a little less than $2M a TD. After 2025 (his 3rd season on this contract) the Giants are out 112.5 million per spotrac.com. Quote
BarleyNY Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 Gotta look at what the effective guarantees are: Rodgers: 2 years, $107M Jackson: 4 years, $208M but can be shortened to 3 years, $185M Jones: 2 years, $86M Carr: 2 years, $70M or 3 years, $100M Rodgers and Jackson carry the most risk because they’re the highest AAV. Carr is getting paid market value. Jones is above MV (IMO) so I guess I go with him. Still, it’s only two seasons and he gives the Giants a chance to find their next QB in that time. Still, I think he will disappoint. Quote
FireChans Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: After 2025 (his 3rd season on this contract) the Giants are out 112.5 million per spotrac.com. Sorry, I meant 2024. Potential Out: 2025, 2 yr, $82,000,000; $18,000,000 dead cap 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 18, 2023 Author Posted July 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Aaron Rodgers ... Just a feeling Lamar wouldn't be a surprise either. lots of wishful thinking on this poll! 1 Quote
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 Mr. WEO, you're generally viewed as an agent provocateur around here. Excellent topic! 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 18, 2023 Author Posted July 18, 2023 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Another thing to consider is how quickly teams can get OUT of each of these contracts. The Jets are locked into Rodgers for the next 2 years, but can get out of it with no dead cap hit after that. The Ravens are locked into Jackson for the ENTIRETY of the 5 years, PLUS 2 more void years to lessen cap hits (yikes!). The Giants are pretty much locked into Jones for only 2 years, and then can get out of it pretty easily. The Saints have 3 years before they can affordably get out of Carr's contract, but also have a void year added to defer cap hits. Given that info, Jones has the most team-friendly contract. And the Giants are best able to change course. So IMO, the Giants are the least likely to regret their deal since even if Jones stinks, they arent locked in. The Ravens and Saints have the biggest risks getting stuck with a contract they cant get out of. So I'm sticking with my vote of the Saints. If the best thing about a huge/overpriced contract is that you can get out of it in 2 years....that makes it not a great deal for the team. Rogers for 2 years at 10 million more per year is a far better deal than Jones. Quote
billsbackto81 Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Danny Dimes. How he got that contract after tossing 15 TDs last year is beyond me. This^^^^ That's a heck of a payday for such mediocre numbers. Daboll should have drafted his own guy instead and worked off the rookie contract. He's proven he's got the goods to be an exceptional coach. Now he's hamstrung with Danny. 1 Quote
Mr. WEO Posted July 18, 2023 Author Posted July 18, 2023 39 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Mr. WEO, you're generally viewed as an agent provocateur around here. Excellent topic! lol thanks. I've started few threads over the past 14 years. This seemed like a decent opinion seeker. It had little chance to invoke Josh (his girlfriend/new house/handicap/beard/every interview utterance), McD, Hopkins, Ertz or Digg's tossed helmet. But we are only 2 pages in so.... 1 2 Quote
BigDingus Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 I don't see how Derek Carr is the lowest on the list... Not saying he's bad, but nearly $40 million a year for Derek Carr? That's a crazy risk imo. I'm really pulling for him & hope he does well, but I'm just not sure they wouldn't have been better off grabbing a journeyman to fill the spot until they can find a better option. Quote
Airseven Posted July 18, 2023 Posted July 18, 2023 While Jones is the worst QB of the group, I think Daboll salvages something. Vote Carr. Quote
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